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Old 05-28-2012, 07:16 PM   #571
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After a scare, a big one, he finally won. The last set he's just swinging it away, that's what he needs to do. Hope he hit those nerves out of his system, he'll get no where playing like what he did in the first 1.8 set. Looking like he's gonna play Baker, who's 2 sets and a break up at the moment and about to finish his match in a much shorter time than Gilles did. Gilles really needs to up his game next round.
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Good cmeback, but he needs to up his game,
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Excellent comeback for Gilles! So proud! He never says die! I chalk it up to 1st match jitters. Especially for a Frenchman playing at the French Open. I'm sure, or at least I hope, that he will play much better now. It's always difficult getting that first match of a major under your belt. Especially when it's a major you hold near and dear.
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he actually played well from the end of the first set (except the start of the 3rd). parts of just a little sliggish but it looked very solid at some parts, even the return was very efficient. just a bit more aggression and i won't have a nervous breakdown next match :]
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I only had the last set recorded but managed to avoid the scores till I watched it! Allez!
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The last 2 sets were more worthy watching than the first 2, for sure .

What he said afterward (on L'equipe):

«L'expérience je ne sais pas, mais la réussite : oui. A 40-15 quand il sert pour mener deux sets à rien je ne suis pas bien car je savais aujourd'hui que je n'aurais pas remonté deux sets. Pourquoi? Parce que déjà je n'ai jamais gagné en étant mené 2-0 et qu'en plus pour ça j'aurais dû mieux jouer et que ce n'était pas le cas : je jouais mal - l'impression de ne pas avoir tapé une balle en 3 heures - et je jouais moins bien que lui».

«Je n'ai pas eu le match dont je rêvais pour commencer le tournoi mais j'ai eu le mérite de ne pas lâcher. Alors là je me sens lessivé, car j'ai fait beaucoup d'efforts et qu'évidemment il y a un prix à payer mais j'espère que je serai tout beau tout neuf dans deux jours. Baker joue très bien, c'est propre, il n'a pas de lacune. Mais je l'ai vu jouer donc au moins je ne me ferai pas surprendre».
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The last 2 sets were more worthy watching than the first 2, for sure .

What he said afterward (on L'equipe):

«L'expérience je ne sais pas, mais la réussite : oui. A 40-15 quand il sert pour mener deux sets à rien je ne suis pas bien car je savais aujourd'hui que je n'aurais pas remonté deux sets. Pourquoi? Parce que déjà je n'ai jamais gagné en étant mené 2-0 et qu'en plus pour ça j'aurais dû mieux jouer et que ce n'était pas le cas : je jouais mal - l'impression de ne pas avoir tapé une balle en 3 heures - et je jouais moins bien que lui».

«Je n'ai pas eu le match dont je rêvais pour commencer le tournoi mais j'ai eu le mérite de ne pas lâcher. Alors là je me sens lessivé, car j'ai fait beaucoup d'efforts et qu'évidemment il y a un prix à payer mais j'espère que je serai tout beau tout neuf dans deux jours. Baker joue très bien, c'est propre, il n'a pas de lacune. Mais je l'ai vu jouer donc au moins je ne me ferai pas surprendre».
Thanks for this. It's interesting that he didn't think he played very well. The statistics on the website showed his serve improved over the course of the match--hope he can start more strongly in the next round.

If the other Americans on this board watched on Tennis Channel, were any of you as annoyed as I was by John McEnroe's just making stuff up about Gilles maybe because he didn't know much about him or his game? I really like John's commentary usually, and he is typically very knowledgeable. But I think he and his commentary partner wanted Ryan Harrison to win very badly, and since they assumed most of the TC viewers watching did too, they were a bit sloppy and biased. For example, John remarked that Gilles wasn't good at the net, but the stats. showed he won 80+% of his approaches. He also said Gilles had no really good strokes - he just was a good mover. He's definitely a good mover but, John, when his groundstrokes are "on", they are low and fast and hard to defend. And he is usually a very good tactician. Ask Monfils who typically wins when they play, and why.

As another example, John claimed that the French don't really like Gilles, because the stands weren't full. Huh? In Gilles' interviews, he seems like a very nice and humble guy. Why wouldn't people support him? Here's another opinion -- could it be that the stands weren't full because there were three other French players playing on the largest courts at the same time (Bartoli, Clément (in a very tight match), and Mathieu)??? And maybe that the crowd is quiet because French people (and most people outside New York) usually ARE quiet during matches? And because people from all over Europe come to the French Open, so of course different people attending will have different favorites? It's probably going to be just as bad for the next match, since he will be playing an even greater American underdog. But it would be nice if John would get online and find out a bit more about Gilles, and give the guy a little credit - or just not speculate.

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Thanks for this. It's interesting that he didn't think he played very well. The statistics on the website showed his serve improved over the course of the match--hope he can start more strongly in the next round.
Well, he didn't play well at the beginning for sure, he's so tight. And in another article, he said the wind was really strong and he felt he has to use a lot of efforts just to hit the ball.

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If the other Americans on this board watched on Tennis Channel, were any of you as annoyed as I was by John McEnroe's just making stuff up about Gilles maybe because he didn't know much about him or his game? I really like John's commentary usually, and he is typically very knowledgeable. But I think he and his commentary partner wanted Ryan Harrison to win very badly, and since they assumed most of the TC viewers watching did too, they were a bit sloppy and biased. For example, John remarked that Gilles wasn't good at the net, but the stats. showed he won 80+% of his approaches. He also said Gilles had no really good strokes - he just was a good mover. He's definitely a good mover but, John, when his groundstrokes are "on", they are low and fast and hard to defend. And he is usually a very good tactician. Ask Monfils who typically wins when they play, and why.
I also usually like John, but I'm not surprised that he knows nothing about Gilles though. I mean, unless ppl are like us diehard fans watch his matches on crappy livestreams, otherwise, Gilles' matches are usually on some obscure outside courts in most tournaments with no TV coverage, not US coverage anyway. Somehow I doubted that John does his homework on less famous players.

I also don't get why they keep emphasizing he's not good at the net. Surely he's not Pat Rafter, but he’s no worse than 80% of the players out there, if not more. There's hardly a match that he has a negative stat for net points, that's because he always choose his moments right. Maybe the technique isn’t so pretty, but isn't picking the right time to come to the net also part of the quality for playing at the net?

I don't have TC, and I rather watch online stream than listening to the likes of Doug Adler (gosh, I hate that guy) or those other American commentators. They don't like his game so they don't respect him, which is really unprofessional when they are on TV not just criticizing but disrespecting him. I love the Brits cos they all very appreciative of Gilles' game, thinking that his game is a throwback to the old days which power is not the only element of the game. Those quality commentators like Jason Goodall/Robbie Koenig (who doesn’t like that 2).

Gilles is a nice guy indeed. I can't remember which match I was watching but the commentator said something like “players hate to play Gilles, but off the court they all love him cos he is one of the nicest guy”. I guess good guy don’t really appeal to American fans since fans don’t get to know them, all they care is their so called “on court personality”, and we all know Americans like bad boys, the most famous American players are bad boys: JMac, Conners, Roddick, Agassi (Sampras is too boring, who cares if he's the best of them who hold records and everything?)

Oh well, Gilles can't win them all.
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If the other Americans on this board watched on Tennis Channel, were any of you as annoyed as I was by John McEnroe's just making stuff up about Gilles maybe because he didn't know much about him or his game? I really like John's commentary usually, and he is typically very knowledgeable. But I think he and his commentary partner wanted Ryan Harrison to win very badly, and since they assumed most of the TC viewers watching did too, they were a bit sloppy and biased. For example, John remarked that Gilles wasn't good at the net, but the stats. showed he won 80+% of his approaches. He also said Gilles had no really good strokes - he just was a good mover. He's definitely a good mover but, John, when his groundstrokes are "on", they are low and fast and hard to defend. And he is usually a very good tactician. Ask Monfils who typically wins when they play, and why.

As another example, John claimed that the French don't really like Gilles, because the stands weren't full. Huh? In Gilles' interviews, he seems like a very nice and humble guy. Why wouldn't people support him? Here's another opinion -- could it be that the stands weren't full because there were three other French players playing on the largest courts at the same time (Bartoli, Clément (in a very tight match), and Mathieu)??? And maybe that the crowd is quiet because French people (and most people outside New York) usually ARE quiet during matches? And because people from all over Europe come to the French Open, so of course different people attending will have different favorites? It's probably going to be just as bad for the next match, since he will be playing an even greater American underdog. But it would be nice if John would get online and find out a bit more about Gilles, and give the guy a little credit - or just not speculate.
While I respect John and his place in tennis, he's definitely a very over-opinionated windbag who is full of it more often than not. These days he really doesn't waste his time on anybody other than the top 4 and his fellow American players.

However, to be fair, he is right about a few things.

1) Gilles isn't very good at the net despite what the stats sometimes say. He hates coming to net and when he does, he more often than not shanks volleys and overheads like we saw today where he hit an overhead smash up at the net right down on to the top of the net. In Monte Carlo a sitter volley at the net on break point against Nadal cost him. It was an easy put away that all he had to do was hit into the open court and he netted it. It happens far too often with him so John has a point there.

2) Gilles isn't as well liked by the French and especially the French press as Tsonga, Monfils, and to a lesser extent, Gasquet. So John isn't really out of line for stating that because it's the truth. Several of us Gilles' fans have commented often about the double standard against Gilles compared to Monfils and especially Tsonga. Gilles got some great support in Nice and it was nice to see and hear, but that was also because it was his hometown. He doesn't really get support like that anywhere else in France.

It stems from Gilles not being a power driven non stop offensive player, but rather a counterpuncher and pusher who plays more tactically as well as not being very flashy or much of a braggart-type player the way Tsonga is. Like you said, he is very humble and, while to me, that's part of his charm and something that should be viewed as a quality, to others it's a turn off apparently.

Anyway, The good news is Gilles doesn't really give a sh!t what they think and actually prefers not to be in the spotlight. Bottom line is, we know Gilles is awesome and a good player and person and whatever the haters think or say doesn't really matter because haters are gonna hate no matter what.
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2) Gilles isn't as well liked by the French and especially the French press as Tsonga, Monfils, and to a lesser extent, Gasquet. So John isn't really out of line for stating that because it's the truth. Several of us Gilles' fans have commented often about the double standard against Gilles compared to Monfils and especially Tsonga. Gilles got some great support in Nice and it was nice to see and hear, but that was also because it was his hometown. He doesn't really get support like that anywhere else in France.
On the contrary, French Press loves Gilles (well, maybe not love, but certainly not dislike him). They don't care to talk about him too much because he's the least known among the 4, and you know press, they only want to write things that readers want to read, not necessarily the most interesting things. But they like Gilles alright, a lot of commentators said that, because Gilles doesn't act like a diva to the press, and he likes to talk so they won't have any problem finding things to write, plus he talks interestingly, his points are clear and not just canned answers.

As for the criticism in the press against Gilles. Well, all 4 of them have their own criticisms, they are just on different things. I don't think they are especially harsh on Gilles, not the French press I read anyway. Again, he doesn't get the same press time as the others, but it's not because they dislike him, it's just because he's not as news worthy. So they criticize his lacking the slam level achievements, like they criticize Gasquet's not realizing his talent, or Gael's interest in showmanship more than tennis, or Tsonga who talks big and has little to show. That's the press, is what they do, stir things up bcos no one wants facts, they want drama.

Sports is an entertainment, I think 80% of ppl who go to tennis matches are casual fans who know little or nothing about the game, they can tell what's a flashy winner, but what do they know about strategy, how could they tell when a player is putting different pace/spin to the ball to make it difficult for his opponent? They see Gilles can hit with power, they ask why doesn't he do it all the time? Okay, he is lightweight in a class of his own, that's why he can't power his shots all the time, it's like asking why Jo can't move faster or crispier, well duh, in that heavy frame? And stop calling him a pusher (if one can just put the ball back to court and wait until the other misses - hell, sounds easy enough, I can do that, then why isn't everyone ranked 12th in the world? He has less fans because of his style, his preference of not drawing attention to himself, and he's loving his privacy (no website, no FB, no twitter account... as one of the article about him said: Gilles Simon is not here to sell you anything).
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On L'Equipe:

Simon s’est vu dehors
Agacé par les conditions, le Français a dû sauver, au filet, deux balles de deux manches à zéro contre Harrison. Un handicap qu’il n’aurait pas surmonté, dit-il.

DEPUIS LE FORFAIT DE Gaël Monfils et grâce à sa propre saison sur terre battue, Gilles Simon ressemble à la plus belle chance française dans le tournoi. C’est dire si sonentame ratée, hier contre l’américain Ryan Harrison, a interpellé. Mais le 12e joueur mondial a trouvé les ressources pour rester en vie dans le tournoi.

SIMON ET SA VOLÉE

À 6-3, 5-4, 40-15 contre lui, service Harrison, Gilles Simon a vu la porte. Alors il est monté au filet ; la première fois pour conclure à son deuxième smash, la seconde pour pousser l’américain à boiser un passing de revers dans le bas du filet. Deux points plus tard, il revenait à 5-5, pendant que la raquette du rookie, rattrapé par ses démons et averti, finissait dans la fosse aux télés, juste avant ses illusions. C’est encore au filet que le Français, quelques instants plus tard, est venu sauver trois nouvelles balles de break, à 3-3 dans le troisième set, lors du dernier moment chaud de la partie. Taux de réussite à la volée, 74 %: Guy Forget serait fier de lui. « Ouais, enfin, j’en ai raté quelques- unes quand même, mais cette tactique avait bien fonctionné contre lui, en Coupe Davis, à Monte- Carlo. » C’était pour du beurre, mais il faut se souvenir de tout. Redevenu impatient et irritable, Harrison tira progressivement un trait sur ses ambitions. « Gilles était crispé, résume Thierry Tulasne, son coach, mais je crois qu’il serait revenu de deux sets à zéro car il était au-dessus. D’ailleurs, son dernier set a été impeccable. »

SIMON ET LE VENT

On peut s’entendre à merveille et ne pas être d’accord sur tout. « J’ai eu de la réussite. Je ne serais pas revenu de deux sets à zéro car je ne l’ai jamais fait et ce n’était pas le jour. J’étais très près de la sortie » , estime quant à lui Simon. On cherche des explications à cette entrée délicate, comme la rouste que lui a infligée Nicolas Almagro, à Nice, plus indigeste que prévu. Comme la variation des coups de l’américain, la justesse de ses chips, son endurance dans les rallyes, ses progrès sur terre battue. Non, rien n’a autant perturbé le Niçois que les conditions de jeu. « C’est le vent, c’est tout, ça m’a pesé sur les nerfs. Quand tu fais des efforts de placement, que tu dépenses une énergie folle pour essayer de bien frapper la balle et que tu fais des coups moyens à cause du vent qui fait bouger la balle au dernier moment, ça frustre. Pendant trois heures, je n’ai pas frappé un bon coup. » Ce n’est pas très mesuré, c’est du Simon. Mais c’est ce qui se fait de mieux en France en 2012.

SIMON ET LE CENTRAL

Il y a le vent, et puis il y a le central, sur lequel il rêve de briller, sur lequel il a très souvent gagné, mais qu’au fond il n’aime pas. Pas assez pour l’épargner. « C’est difficile de dire ça, mais c’est un court sur lequel il est très difficile de jouer. Même Rafa (Nadal) m’a dit que c’était celui qu’il aimait le moins des centraux du Grand Chelem. » Et pourquoi personne ne l’aime ? « Dans la soirée, le vent change tout le temps, poursuit Simon. En mettant la même puissance, ta balle peut tomber dans les carrés de service ou dans le public. » Et c’est d’autant plus compliqué en bleu, blanc, rouge. « Le vent plus la pression de jouer à la maison, ce n’est pas ça qui libère le bras et rend la vie facile, mais c’est comme ça. »

SIMON ET BAKER

Prochain adversaire, l’américain Brian Baker, l’ancien mutilé, l’homme qui n’a pas joué pendant six ans, vainqueur des sélections US pour gagner une invitation à Roland, et surprenant finaliste à Nice samedi. Juste après la victoire de son poulain, Thierry Tulasne a foncé voir ses derniers points contre Xavier Malisse. Pour en déduire ceci : « Il est capable de tout faire très bien. C’est un match piège car le mec joue top 50 et a le jeu pour gêner Gilles : bonne vision et bonne anticipation. Il va forcer Gilles à faire des trucs qu’il n’a pas l’habitude de faire, comme attaquer sur des balles basses. » Le brainstorming tactique a déjà commencé. « Je ne regrette pas de l’avoir vu beaucoup jouer à Nice, sourit Simon. Ce qu’il fait est très propre. Je sais qu’il a été beaucoup blessé et ça se voit : il est détaché et content d’être là. Après, j’ai envie de dire, chacun son parcours. Je sais qu’il mérite d’être là. » Face à Baker, Simon devra mieux servir (9 doubles fautes) et faire bien mieux que ces 46 fautes directes, avec ou sans vent, qui ne lui ressemblent pas.
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Default Re: Clay season 2012, "Take Two" most definitely

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Originally Posted by lalaland View Post
On the contrary, French Press loves Gilles (well, maybe not love, but certainly not dislike him). They don't care to talk about him too much because he's the least known among the 4, and you know press, they only want to write things that readers want to read, not necessarily the most interesting things. But they like Gilles alright, a lot of commentators said that, because Gilles doesn't act like a diva to the press, and he likes to talk so they won't have any problem finding things to write, plus he talks interestingly, his points are clear and not just canned answers.

As for the criticism in the press against Gilles. Well, all 4 of them have their own criticisms, they are just on different things. I don't think they are especially harsh on Gilles, not the French press I read anyway. Again, he doesn't get the same press time as the others, but it's not because they dislike him, it's just because he's not as news worthy. So they criticize his lacking the slam level achievements, like they criticize Gasquet's not realizing his talent, or Gael's interest in showmanship more than tennis, or Tsonga who talks big and has little to show. That's the press, is what they do, stir things up bcos no one wants facts, they want drama.

Sports is an entertainment, I think 80% of ppl who go to tennis matches are casual fans who know little or nothing about the game, they can tell what's a flashy winner, but what do they know about strategy, how could they tell when a player is putting different pace/spin to the ball to make it difficult for his opponent? They see Gilles can hit with power, they ask why doesn't he do it all the time? Okay, he is lightweight in a class of his own, that's why he can't power his shots all the time, it's like asking why Jo can't move faster or crispier, well duh, in that heavy frame? And stop calling him a pusher (if one can just put the ball back to court and wait until the other misses - hell, sounds easy enough, I can do that, then why isn't everyone ranked 12th in the world? He has less fans because of his style, his preference of not drawing attention to himself, and he's loving his privacy (no website, no FB, no twitter account... as one of the article about him said: Gilles Simon is not here to sell you anything).
I'm confused. Is this meant to be confrontational? I can't tell? Aren't we all fans of Gilles here? Calling him a pusher isn't a negative thing you know. It's truthful. It just gets turned into a negative thing by commentators (especially commentators who are ex coaches because most of them always teach that a good offense will overcome a good defense to which I simply say "Nadal") who prefer power and straight forward offense over any other style. If you look at that comment as a negative, then you have let them and their rather shallow way of thinking affect you in a way it shouldn't. I never said Gilles relies solely on pushing as his whole game (like I said in my previous comment he's a counterpuncher and tactical player as well which explains why he's been as high as #6 and currently #12 in the world) but it is a huge part of his game and to say otherwise is being a bit in denial.

Ferrer is the same way. He relies very much on his consistency while not going for any real shot unless he has a clear opening. He's actually more so than Gilles. So does Andy Murray. He plays a very similar game to Gilles. He just has more size and power behind his shots and does everything that Gilles does a little bit better hence the head 2 head record. That's why Gilles has kinda become dubbed by commentators "the poor man's Andy Murray". Bernard Tomic is another one who employs a similar style. Again, there is nothing wrong with employing that style. It's a valid style to have as part of your arsenal. It just isn't looked very highly upon by tennis fans and basically 95% of the tennis commentators etc. who have grown accustomed to power tennis where it's all about big serves and forehands and backhands. Hell, most commentators get pissed off when a drop shot is employed these days.

And as far as Gilles' popularity, I'm sorry, but to me it comes off quite clear that the French fans just don't really care as much when it comes to him as they do Tsonga and Monfils. The stadium was way too empty yesterday during his match. I can definitely feel a sort of "cold shoulder vibe" from them when it comes to Gilles. They cheer, but not with as much heart it seems as they do for Monfils and Tsonga. It's especially evident at Davis Cups (you know that team event where there's not much team spirit going on towards Gilles' way, if he's even deemed worthy to play to begin with). To be fair, I think there is something to be said for the notion that Gilles doesn't make it easy for people to like him because of his emotional vibe and low key demeanor. You either get him or you don't. I do because i'm very similar to him in that way and I like who he is and I wouldn't want him to change anything about himself other than believing in himself more.

Anyway, like I said. We know that Gilles is worthy and who cares what the haters think. And remember lalaland, we're on the same team here.
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