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Old 05-10-2012, 10:37 PM   #421
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Gilles, pull a Nando to come back from 2 breaks, if Nando can, so can u. C'mmmmmmmmmoooooooooonnnnnnnnnn.
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Really disappointing to see how Gilles came out in the 3rd set just flat and uninspired and showing no real effort. He had every reason to be pumped and ready to take it to a 5-0 h2h over Janko, but instead he just errored it all away. What a lousy Birthday present you gave me Gilles.
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His moving to the backhand side is so awkward. I'm not trying to make any excuse, but I truly think something is not right. But of course, he lost, no excuse is gonna help. I just hope he didn't add injury to insult.



Sucks. Losing to the guy I hate, sucks even more. I'm mad .

Well, okay. I'll get over that. Just do better in Rome. Gilles
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Horrendous third set from Gilles, something was definitely wrong. He made so many routine errors. I haven't been this disappointed since the Australian Open loss
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It would've actually been an easier loss for me to take if he had just lost in straight sets, but when he pulled out the 2nd set, I thought we were going to get the never say die, fight to the end, i'm gonna find a way to win this Gilles. Janko definitely played his best tennis he's ever played against Gilles in this match, but Gilles still just gave that third set a way and didn't even make him earn it and that's what bugs me the most.
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It would've actually been an easier loss for me to take if he had just lost in straight sets, but when he pulled out the 2nd set, I thought we were going to get the never say die, fight to the end, i'm gonna find a way to win this Gilles. Janko definitely played his best tennis he's ever played against Gilles in this match, but Gilles still just gave that third set a way and didn't even make him earn it and that's what bugs me the most.
Agree completely, I thought for sure he had that match won which makes it even worse. I agree with Lalaland though, he was wincing at the end of the second set and I think something was wrong. In the third set he wasn't willing to rally as much and missed a lot of balls moving to his backhand. Oh well, let's get to Rome which will have much better clay and where it will be easier for Gilles to move and defend.
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Well, I don't think the 3rd set loss is due to lack of efforts, but there's a lot of wild misses, really, I can only think it has something to do with his movement. But anyhow, I'm okay with it, I mean, it's a loss and it sucks big time cos of the person he lost to. But there's always another tournament, another match to win. 1 loss isn't going to ruin everything. As long as he's not injure in any way, then I'm fine. The goal is a good showing in RG, that's all that matters.
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There's a lot written up on L'Equipe yesterday, here are some of them, comments from Nole and Rafa, and the last little bit is Gilles' match...

Choc à Madrid : Rafael Nadal a perdu et menace de ne plus disputer ce Masters 1000. Cette terre n’est définitivement pas la sienne. Et le tournoi semble en danger.

RAREMENT UN TOURNOI a semblé aussi groggy que le Masters 1000 de Madrid hier soir. Comme K.-O. debout sous l’accumulation des critiques formulées depuis quelques jours par les joueurs et joueuses, unanimes pour dénoncer le non-sens de la glissance des terres battues de la Caja Magica. Qu’elles soient bleues n’arrange rien à l’affaire. Qu’elles soient assimilées à des patinoires est plus grave. Que Rafael Nadal, battu hier dès les huitièmes de finale par Fernando Verdasco (6-3, 3-6, 7-5), menace de ne plus y remettre les pieds ressemble à un danger de mort. Hier s’est déroulé le match sur terre du Majorquin le plus moche depuis sa défaite contre Juan Carlos Ferrero à Rome en 2008 ( 7- 5, 6- 1). À l’époque, une ampoule géante l’empêchait de poser un pied par terre. Hier, zéro souci physique mais énorme problème technique. Pas tant dans son jeu que sous ses pieds. Pour commencer, pas d’appuis, pas d’équilibre, et une double faute suspecte pour donner le break d’entrée à Verdasco (19e). Puis les fragilités morales de ce dernier le rattrapèrent peu à peu au point que Nadal, tout juste moyen, servit pour le match à 3-6, 6-3, 5-2. Et passa à deux points du match. En vain. Nouveau débreak à 5-4 ! Mais que la balle sortait mal de la raquette du sextuple vainqueur de Roland-garros ! Que de coups décentrés ou « courtissimes » ! L’ombre de l’hombre Nadal.

Nadal : « Je quitte Madrid avec la hanche douloureuse »

Vainqueur treize fois sur treize de ce compatriote à la patte gauche merveilleuse et au cerveau bouillonnant, Nadal ne lui avait d’ailleurs jamais cédé un set sur terre. Alors on comprit les larmes de joie du Madrilène après avoir enfilé les cinq derniers jeux vitesse grandvpour enfin mater le héros national, au bout de 3h 10’ ! Il s’allongea sans doute un peu trop longtemps sur le dos pour célébrer ce àquoi il ne croyait peut-être plus tout à fait, pendant que son vaincu l’attendait sans bouger au filet pour lui serrer la main et rapidement retrouver le plancher des vaches. Le mal de terre bleue ? Nadal le ressentait bien fortement quand il s’exprima devant la presse, à peine quelques minutes plus tard : « Jesuis l’un de ceux qui prennent le plus fortement appui au sol, et ici, ça n’était juste pas possible. Quand je veux redémarrer, je perds l’équilibre vers l’avant. » Et il y a pire : « Je quitte Madrid avec la hanche douloureuse à cause des rectifications de mouvements qu’il faut faire ici. Je ne suis pas prêt àmettre en péril l’année qui vient s’il m’arrive un pépin à la hanche. Pour moi, il y a deux options. Soit ça change ici, soit... Je ne suis pas en train de piquer ma crise, pour moi c’est vraiment une grande malchance de ne pas jouer à Madrid. C’est un tournoi de terre, à la période adéquate pour moi, mais les circonstances vont rendre impossible ma participation. Si les choses continuent comme ça, j’en suis très triste, mais il y aura l’an prochain un tournoi de moins à mon calendrier. » La direction du tournoi n’a prévu aucun commentaire avant que la semaine s’achève, mais Gérard Tsobanian, bras droit du patron, Ion Tiriac, essayait hier de ne pas aller dans l’extrême : « Quand on mène 5-2 et qu’on perd, ça n’est pas la faute de la couleur. Mais le court, c’est vrai, il n’est pas bon. C’est peutêtre sous la colère du moment que les joueurs parlent. » Ou peut-être pas ? « Quand Rafa s’exprime comme il l’a fait, ça a beaucoup de poids, reconnut Roger Federer après avoir effacé Gasquet hier soir. C’est vrai que ça glisse beaucoup. La nouvelle couleur ? En tout cas ça n’a pas aidé. » Richard Gasquet, qui avait regardé le match, n’avait pas reconnu son copain de la promo 1986 : « Rafa ne courait pas comme d’habitude, il ne glissait pas, on voyait qu’il n’avait pas ses appuis. »

Federer numéro 2 lundi ?
Il n’y avait hier soir aucune parole d’apaisement dans la critique posée du champion espagnol : « Si vous mettez du gazon à Cincinnati (en août), que se passera- t-il ? Vous croyez que les gens seront contents de jouer là-dessus juste avant L’US Open ? Je ne crois pas. Et on est ici exactement dans ce type de situation. Maintenant, je pars pour Rome avec le manque de confiance que je dois à tout le travail effectué pour essayer de bien jouer à Madrid ! Parce que le pire, c’est qu’il n’y a pas un autre tournoi où je sois arrivé aussi tôt que sur celui-là ( six jours avant son premier match !). Ça veut bien dire que j’avais tout fait pour bien jouer ici. » En fin de programme, Novak Djokovic, malgré une chute spectaculaire à la suite d’un nouveau dérapage incontrôlé, a su se débarrasser hier de Stan Wawrinka (21e), 7-6, 6-4. Très remonté contre cette terre après son premier match, le Serbe en a remis une couche : « Celui qui va gagner ici, sera celui qui ne se blessera pas, parce que beaucoup de joueurs tombent depuis le début. Ceux qui habituellement glissent beaucoup, comme Monfils et moi, souffrent peut-être plus car ça met beaucoup de pression dans les muscles. » Lenuméro 1mondial a néanmoins su passer outre sa frustration et reste en lice pour défendre son titre. Nadal, lui, n’a peut-être pas fini de tout perdre à Madrid puisqu’il serait rétrogradé au troisième rang mondial, lundi, si d’aventure Federer remportait le tournoi. Lui faire ça chez lui !
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( avec F. Ra.) COLÈRE FROIDE mais sereine et contrôlée, hier, pour Toni Nadal, qui fut très précis, souriant et ferme au moment de commenter la défaite de son neveu : « Verdasco a mérité sa victoire, mais L’ATP, elle, mérite une amende pour avoir permis la tenue d’un tournoi pareil. Sur ce court, Rafael n’avait jamais d’équilibre, c’est pour ça que la balle sortait mal de sa raquette et qu’il perdait en confiance. Bien sûr qu’il n’avait pas de rythme, car il ne peut pas y avoir de rythme quand on ne sait même pas pourquoi on gagne ou on perd le point. C’est vrai, on peut dire que ça allait la veille contre Davydenko, mais c’est parce que le style «C’ESTENCORE un peu dur d’assimiler ce que je viens de faire. Je suis incroyablement heureux, c’est bien sûr la plus grande victoire demacarrière. Que ça a été long, toutes ces années à s’affronter sans le battre ! Le smash facile qu’ilmanque à 5-2, 15-0 pour lui au troisième set a changé le match. J’ai continué à y croire tout le temps. Ça n’est qu’à la finque je n’y croyais pas ! Je n’oublierai jamais l’émotion ressentie après la victoire. On parle beaucoup du court bleu, mais ça n’est pas la couleur qui change quoi que ce soit. L’an dernier, j’avais perdu ici dès le premier tour et je glissais déjà sans cesse. Cette année, ce sont les mêmes conditions d’adhérence. » de jeu était différent et aussi, même surtout, parce que Davydenko ne tenait carrément pas debout. D’ailleurs, même aujourd’hui (hier), au troisième set, pendant un moment, c’est Verdasco qui ne trouvait plus ses appuis. Ce que tout ça va changer pour la suite de la saison sur terre ? Déjà, j’espère qu’on ne va pas comptabiliser cette défaite comme étant arrivée dans la saison sur terre mais plutôt dans la saison de patinage. Notre objectif est très simple maintenant : retrouver ailleurs son jeu, qu’il a perdu en jouant ici cette semaine. Est-ce qu’on reviendra disputer le tournoi de Madrid ? S’ils ne changent pas les courts, c’est la dernière fois qu’on vient ici. » – J. Re.

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IL Était 23h 48 quand gilles Simon ( notre photo) a fini par abdiquer face à Janko Tipsarevic après 2 h 37’ de jeu (7-6, 5-7, 6-1). Pourtant, il n’avait perdu son premier point sur son premier service qu’au dixième jeu d’un premier set qu’il allait lâcher au terme d’un tie-break caviardé. Pourtant, il allait sauver sept balles de break dans une éreintante deuxième manche, dont cinq de suite sur des services gagnants, avant d’engranger à la volée le set sur sa première occasion de prendre le service serbe… Mais malgré la qualité de son engagement, cette volonté sans faille de ne rien lâcher, le Français allait finir par craquer. Dans la troisième manche, il ne marquait que deux des quatorze premiers points face à un Tipsarevic au moins aussi valeureux que lui dans un match d’une grande qualité. « C’est moi qui ai le plus couru et qui étais le plus fatigué, analysait le Français. Mais je ne m’entraîne pas pour jouer des matches à minuit. J’ai l’impression d’être en décalage horaire… » – F. Ra

Rafa said the court gave no support, he got hip pain playing on it caused by the correction of the movements. Nole said those who usually slide a lot suffers more because it puts a lot of pressure in the muscles… Gilles said he felt tired. So I guess it takes more out of those who found it harder to adapt to this surface. I mean, if he’s tired for a 2.5 hrs match, how’s he going to deal with a 5 setters in RG? unless this surface is more taxing for him than other surface. He did moved very awkwardly at the end, probably it’s harder to control your movement if your muscles are screaming. He better condition himself better then, (and skip Nice). Anyhow, I kinda feel better now, you don’t want one tournament to take too much out of you that could hinder the progress. So look at the bright side, now he can focus back on red clay and not let the blue clay disrupt his preparation. It’s not a bad thing, if I see it that way.
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This court is terrible for players who need to move well to play well. Gilles never felt comfortable on this surface so he didn't feel comfortable getting into long rallies. I think it's good he gets a couple of days off and then gets to regroup for Rome.

That said, Gilles had such an opportunity here, Janko looks like he is going to take out Novak so he obviously wasn't playing well. He could have made back to back semis of a masters if he kept his head in the first set tiebreak or at the beginning of the third set
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Novak just lost.

It's indeed an opportunity lost. If Gilles had won, he would have gone up to Top 10 in terms of base point for Rome (meaning he could be Top 10 after Rome as long as he maintains his position). Now, he's still behind Fish and Isner, Top 10 is almost not possible unless he outperforms Isner significantly next week. Then again, Top 10 in the middle of the season is really not that important...

Well, there's no point of dwelling on the loss. It's upsetting that he didn't seize the opportunity. It's easier to just look ahead. They said the best player don't look back, way easier that way as fans too. I'm just hoping this loss is not one that would impend his development for the clay season, and it really shouldn't be, if you should consider this surface is an exception more than the norm.
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Janko just took out both of my guys .
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What are we going to do with him on TB? He sucks loads! 4-8 on TB this year. It's all mental. And as good as he is recently, he still can't deal .
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This was a good loss for Gilles. He needs some rest so he can make a run at Rome. I am expecting him and Gael to do damage at RG
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What are we going to do with him on TB? He sucks loads! 4-8 on TB this year. It's all mental. And as good as he is recently, he still can't deal .
Oh this so much. This is what wasn't a problem when he made his run to 6 in the world back in late 2008/2009. He was so focused, determined and unafraid. This is what hurts me so bad as a Gilles Simon fan. I can actually take a loss pretty well when somebody just plays better than somebody that day and they have no chance of winning or if they are just a better player in a different league all together. But when you watch a guy like Gilles beat himself and throw away the opportunities he works so hard to create, it just devastates me. I can't stand watching him do that.

That's why the Tipsy match last night sucked so bad. He had chances when it got to the first tiebreak to up his level and really press Tipsy and instead he got nervous and started making errors he wasn't making in the games leading up to the tiebreak and then a whole new set to work with in the third and he just gave it up after he hit that sitter forehand wide in the first game of the third up 40-30. It's like he just couldn't put it behind him and came undone. He's got to get a better grip on his mental state. I know he's never going to win a slam, but I still hold out hope that he could do like Davydenko and win a masters or the year ending championship. Less likely each passing year though I know.
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Oh this so much. This is what wasn't a problem when he made his run to 6 in the world back in late 2008/2009. He was so focused, determined and unafraid. This is what hurts me so bad as a Gilles Simon fan. I can actually take a loss pretty well when somebody just plays better than somebody that day and they have no chance of winning or if they are just a better player in a different league all together. But when you watch a guy like Gilles beat himself and throw away the opportunities he works so hard to create, it just devastates me. I can't stand watching him do that.
I feel exactly the same way, and yes, that hurts very much.
However, I still believe that he's just one step away from getting back that mental that he has in 2008. Because we have seen it before, so we know that he has it in him to do such.

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That's why the Tipsy match last night sucked so bad. He had chances when it got to the first tiebreak to up his level and really press Tipsy and instead he got nervous and started making errors he wasn't making in the games leading up to the tiebreak and then a whole new set to work with in the third and he just gave it up after he hit that sitter forehand wide in the first game of the third up 40-30. It's like he just couldn't put it behind him and came undone. He's got to get a better grip on his mental state.
I felt the same way too.
Thing is, I think when he plays someone that he knows it will take 110% to beat, he controls his emotion much better against adversity. But when he's playing someone he knows he should beat, then he got grumpy when he made mistakes or that he couldn't get the other guy to get off his game. But then, the match against Tipsy, it's not only that Gilles cracked, it's that Tipsy was playing very well in the 3rd set, I think we need to give credit to Tipsy regardless of how we feel about him, he came up big at the 3rd. Maybe that's why I never felt the match was Gilles to take after the 2nd set, because Tipsy was holding his own very well except that one game that got away from him. I think you guys thought Gilles' gonna win after the 2nd bcos in the past, the old Tipsy would have cracked first. But I think ever since last fall, Tipsy has became a different player, not the headcase that he was anymore. But anyway, I do agree totally that Gilles needs to let go of his mistakes and not get undone by that. That's really why some of us always get annoyed by him getting so grumpy during matches, his emotion gets in his way. Although he gets away with that when facing lesser opponents, he can't be wasting those mental energy against a quality opponent.

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I know he's never going to win a slam, but I still hold out hope that he could do like Davydenko and win a masters or the year ending championship. Less likely each passing year though I know.
He's probably never going to win a slam, but I still believe he'll win a TMS, it's not wishful thinking although he'll probably need some luck to get there. And I think he believes that he can, and as long as he believes that, then the goal is within reach. It's the power of positive thinking .
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