[ZaZoo)]

Originally Posted by Slice Winner

Yeah man, this match was a total borefest.

Imagine Nole playing s&v there as well and yeah, it's pretty much a snoozefest.

[Slice Winner]

Originally Posted by ZaZoo)

Imagine Nole playing s&v there as well and yeah, it's pretty much a snoozefest.

That's the point most of us have been making.
I don't think a lot of people want everyone S&Ving, but more than 3 out of the top 100 would be nice.
What makes the match interesting is the clash of styles. S&V versus baseliner. It's actually nice to see Nole come to net too - he has good reach and reflexes.

Remember who won that tournament (despite it being a very fast surface). Soderling beat Monfils in the final - baseliners. Semis only featured one S&V.... but if there was one S&V in the semis of most HC/grass tournaments, I think things would be much more interesting to watch.

All S&v would be boring. Only having one style is the problem, it's not that baseline tennis bores us. It's that having ONLY baseline tennis gets very repetitive.

[Voo de Mar]

The S&V isn't done yet. Olivetti who has probably 10 years on tour ahead, didn't run to the net after the serve only once in the entire match against Fish today.

Llodra-Olivetti - all serve & volley encounter tomorrow

[v-money]

Originally Posted by Voo de Mar

The S&V isn't done yet. Olivetti who has probably 10 years on tour ahead, didn't run to the net after the serve only once in the entire match against Fish today.

Llodra-Olivetti - all serve & volley encounter tomorrow

That's impressive. Probably even a higher ratio than Karlovic would have in a 3 set match.

Even though I don't like players who are very serve dependent, I somehow like S&V players like Lopez, Llodra, and Karlovic. I really couldn't tell with Olivetti because Fish was so awful but he may be able to become a Karlovic like player. His ground game looks like it sucks and it may be hard to improve that, but if he can be good at serve and volley and just block some returns back and throw in some chip and charge (which he did do today), he can be fairly effective.

[Voo de Mar]

Originally Posted by v-money

That's impressive. Probably even a higher ratio than Karlovic would have in a 3 set match.

Based on today's match I can say that his 2nd serve is better than Karlovic's but worse than Isner's. Because is better than Karlovic's he can go to the net constantly after the 2nd serve which is an interesting prospect in the future.

[fast_clay]

i actually don't know why you don't see more of it... i kinda thought we would be now... the easiest way to bring supreme baseline ball striker back to the field is to carve it up to the net and smother the match in shit with no rhythm... tour is pretty much ripe for it in my opinion...

[Har-Tru]

Fuck no.

[Har-Tru]

Originally Posted by fast_clay

i actually don't know why you don't see more of it... i kinda thought we would be now... the easiest way to bring supreme baseline ball striker back to the field is to carve it up to the net and smother the match in shit with no rhythm... tour is pretty much ripe for it in my opinion...

Agreed.

[fast_clay]

i saw nadal do a pretty sweet serve volley play late in that 3rd set with nalbandian... very nice touch...

well done rafael nadal

[DorianGray7]

Yeah Nadal hit a drop-volley in the air. Insanely good.

But that was like the only volley of the entire match.Djokovic and Nadal almost never comes to the net except to shake hands.

[Branimir]

Originally Posted by DorianGray7

Yeah Nadal hit a drop-volley in the air. Insanely good.

But that was like the only volley of the entire match.Djokovic and Nadal almost never comes to the net except to shake hands.

That's bunch a bull. Both players come to net occasionally. Now they rarely serve and volley, but they do come to the net! Actually crappy Nole of 2012 is trying to go to the net more. It's just hard. Even players like Almagro and Andujar have skills to pass him or to send it back with so much spin that it's really hard to volley.

[GOAT = Fed]

Maybe not serve and volleying but I think volleying and going up to the net might have to come back into the game because of how awfully slow these courts are. Players will need to come upto the net more often to end points more quickly or fall in danger of playing 4/5 hour slog fests quite often which isn't sustainable for their careers.

[fast_clay]

Originally Posted by GOAT = Fed

Maybe not serve and volleying but I think volleying and going up to the net might have to come back into the game because of how awfully slow these courts are. Players will need to come upto the net more often to end points more quickly or fall in danger of playing 4/5 hour slog fests quite often which isn't sustainable for their careers.

yes, cyclical law says that if you do not wish to run a marathon then you must add an element of risk to your game... a game based on balls and risk is not unheard of... and was once the dominant feature on tour at various times, times that 94% of posters on this site cannot remember...

[Serve&Volley01]

Llodra's match against Del Po shows why S&V is extinct.

[Topspindoctor]

Serve and Volley on consistent basis has no place in the modern game. It should be used a surprise way to catch your opponent off guard to win points, not mindlessly rush the net even after second serves. I am glad S&V is dead so real tennis fans can enjoy real tennis.