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Yes, S&V is for mugs 43 17.34%
No, wish S&V came back 160 64.52%
Neutral 45 18.15%
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Old 02-21-2012, 10:45 PM   #46
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Default Re: Are you glad that Serve & Volley is pretty much extinct now?

Balance in surfaces and speeds between:

Slams
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500's and 250

As well as a balance in picking their spots in the calendar.

^that = tennis in perfect conditions.

It's as simple as that.
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Old 02-21-2012, 10:49 PM   #47
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Default Re: Are you glad that Serve & Volley is pretty much extinct now?

Yes but only somewhat. Even if I was young when the big S&V stars played I never cared much for the S&V as the main strategy and tbh total serve fests are just as bad as total baseline grinding.

I want the in-between. S&V should be viable to spice things up but also easily countered if overused.

I think some indoor courts managed the balance very well. Remember Paris Bercy in 2010 and Llodras magical run that finally ended in the SF vs Soderling. That was one of the more exciting matches that year. An offensive net attacking Llodra vs an offensive baseline playing Soderling. Almost perfectly matched. After seeing that match I realized what a rare sight it is but also that it takes two to tango.

If one player goes to strictly counter and plays defensive S&V is useless nowadays. S&V needs the free points and has always needed the free points because you will botch a lot of volleys. That's how it is. If you get nothing for free like vs the defensive machines in todays game it only works on very fast courts where defensive play gets a natural disadvantage
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Old 02-21-2012, 10:51 PM   #48
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Didn't Llodra using pure serve & volley beat Djokovic to get to that final that year?

O_o -someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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Having one style that dominates makes it boring. In the early 90s I didn't like the 3-stroke rally points and wished for more rally points and longer games. Nowadays, baseline grinders and counterpunchers are so prevalent that it's refreshing to see when someone chips and charges or S&V.
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No. It's terrible.

Watching some of these players try to volley is just embarrassing.
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Initially I was upset but then I realised it was replaced with superior moonballing and suddenly I felt a whole lot better about it.

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Having one style that dominates makes it boring. In the early 90s I didn't like the 3-stroke rally points and wished for more rally points and longer games.
It wasn't that bad at all

Without nuances it looked like this:

"All-serve guys": Ivanisevic, Krajicek, Rosset
Serve and volleyers: Edberg, Becker, Stich, Sampras, Forget, T.Martin, J.McEnroe
Offensive baseliners: Courier, Novacek, Korda, Agassi, W.Ferreira, Lendl
Grinders: Chang, Bruguera, Gustafsson, C.Costa, Muster, Chesnokov, Krickstein

IMO it was quite balanced and entertaining.
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No, it's awful. I'm not even a fan of it but it would be nice to have a wide variation of players now. Also sucks that 4 of the top 5 are defensive baseliners now to be fair too.
just go and watch some german futures, there are a lot of diversity on that level of competition
they schooled and ruined whole generations of players with Becker style of play and 1H BH
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It wasn't that bad at all

Without nuances it looked like this:

"All-serve guys": Ivanisevic, Krajicek, Rosset
Serve and volleyers: Edberg, Becker, Stich, Sampras, Forget, T.Martin, J.McEnroe
Offensive baseliners: Courier, Novacek, Korda, Agassi, Ferreira
Grinders: Chang, Bruguera, Gustafsson, C.Costa, Muster, Chesnokov, Krickstein

IMO it was quite balanced and entertaining.
yes but capitalism ruined that cause competition has caused the production of better rackets
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just go and watch some german futures, there are a lot of diversity on that level of competition
they schooled and ruined whole generations of players with Becker style of play and 1H BH
Germany, great county with not even decent player in modern tennis
what do you class as modern? Stich? Haas? Kiefer?
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Variety please.
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Default Re: Are you glad that Serve & Volley is pretty much extinct now?

I find a whole game based around S&V mindnumbing but as an occasional surprise tactic I don't mind it at all, in fact I welcome it. So I guess neutral.
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I think it's very bad because the best is diversity.
TRUE! Watching Ashe beat Connors in the 75 Wimby final is very enjoyable, and a a nice change of pace from today's game. Wimby and the USO should speed up their surfaces to what they were before, so we see more net play.
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Fuck no.
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Default Re: Are you glad that Serve & Volley is pretty much extinct now?

more variety would be better of course, but it is better to have game in this shape than all-serve bots of 90s. give me rafole over ivanisampras any day.
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