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Old 07-10-2012, 05:19 PM   #1051
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This is why he needs to work on building up some other numbers if he wants to challenge Laver as the GOAT.
Rod Laver won the Grand Slam back in 1969 when the AO and USO were both played on grass. If that were the case today, Federer almost certainly would have won the Grand Slam in 2009. What do you think is a bigger accomplishment; winning three slams on three different surfaces (moderate HC, grass, fast HC) and reaching the final of the other (clay), or winning four slams on two different surfaces (grass, clay, grass, grass)?

Also, just FYI, Laver said last week that he considers Federer the GOAT...

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Old 07-10-2012, 05:26 PM   #1052
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Erm, I'll take Wimbledon, to be honest.

20 slams & 100 titles are actually good numbers to discuss because they lie at the very furthest edge of what is realistically possible. There is a very small chance Fed could achieve both numbers, which makes them ideal as goals for the rest of his career. It's a shame he lost to Del Potro in 2009 as he would otherwise have achieved the Grand Slam, which is the only really big thing he's never achieved & has no realistic chance of achieving any more.
Pretty much agreed. Except, since he lost AO 2009, a win vs del Potro would not have given him a real GS, "just" 4 consecutive non-calendar year majors, but still significant. His chances to win a Grand Slam were foiled due to Mr. Nadal in 2006-2007, but he's done almost everything else. He is the only player in history to successfully defend 3 majors (and a final in the other) in 2007. Amazingly, if he had just won the 2005 AO vs Safin, he would have accomplished that feat 3 consecutive years (2005, 2006, 2007). I think a Grand Slam now would be only be possible if Nadal and Djokovic were both out of the way for some reason, while Federer still has something in the tank.

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Old 07-10-2012, 05:31 PM   #1053
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Rod Laver won the Grand Slam back in 1969 when the AO and USO were both played on grass. If that were the case today, Federer almost certainly would have won the Grand Slam in 2009. What do you think is a bigger accomplishment; winning three slams on three different surfaces (moderate HC, grass, fast HC) and reaching the final of the other (clay), or winning four slams on two different surfaces (grass, clay, grass, grass)?

Also, just FYI, Laver said last week that he considers Federer the GOAT...
Conversely, had there been slams on hard courts or carpet in 1969, Laver would "almost certainly" have won those too, as he was dominating his rivals on all surfaces. What is quite certain is that Laver won the Grand Slam & Federer has not.
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Conversely, had there been slams on hard courts or carpet in 1969, Laver would "almost certainly" have won those too, as he was dominating his rivals on all surfaces. What is quite certain is that Laver won the Grand Slam & Federer has not.
Are you really going to ignore surface change? Federer is (one of) the greatest grass courters ever, and you don't think, if he'd had the advantage Laver did (three of the slams on grass), that he would have the Grand Slam too?
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Are you really going to ignore surface change? Federer is (one of) the greatest grass courters ever, and you don't think, if he'd had the advantage Laver did (three of the slams on grass), that he would have the Grand Slam too?
I guess Mr. Sophocles point was that it would have been moot. As he said, Laver was dominating hard courts as well in that time period. I don't think the surface change alone would have mattered, as all of them would have had the same change.

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Conversely, had there been slams on hard courts or carpet in 1969, Laver would "almost certainly" have won those too, as he was dominating his rivals on all surfaces. What is quite certain is that Laver won the Grand Slam & Federer has not.


and he did not once but twice.
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Rod Laver won the Grand Slam back in 1969 when the AO and USO were both played on grass. If that were the case today, Federer almost certainly would have won the Grand Slam in 2009. What do you think is a bigger accomplishment; winning three slams on three different surfaces (moderate HC, grass, fast HC) and reaching the final of the other (clay), or winning four slams on two different surfaces (grass, clay, grass, grass)?

Also, just FYI, Laver said last week that he considers Federer the GOAT...

Uhh, Mr. ServeVolley, you should finish the quote... he added, "...if there is such a thing". From listening to him talk in recent years, he wisely, I believe, does not believe one can compare greats of one era to another. Too many differences, variables, etc. exist to make any realistic comparisons. About all we can say that each was greatest during their time. And there are those that may dispute even that. Coincidentally, Roger Federer agrees with that.

Roger Federer just said this after winning this year's Wimbledon, in the context of being called the greatest player ever.

“I don’t feel better than anyone, because we need past champions to pave the way for our generation and we have become very professional,” he said.

“They have led the way and inspired myself and other players to chase the big records out there.
“Back in the day they weren’t doing that, they were just playing to play tennis. Things have changed dramatically with the press reminding us ‘you should do this and win that and you’ll be considered the greatest of all time’.

“And anyway I don’t think you can compare different eras in tennis.”
I have to respect him for saying that, especially when all the media hype is lauding him at the moment.

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So, Federer has learnt the ways of humbalito.

Watch him win RG in years to come.
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So, Federer has learnt the ways of humbalito.

Watch him win RG in years to come.
Federer has always respected legends of tennis and said you can't compare eras several times. It's not the first time he makes such a statement.
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Are you really going to ignore surface change? Federer is (one of) the greatest grass courters ever, and you don't think, if he'd had the advantage Laver did (three of the slams on grass), that he would have the Grand Slam too?
Not if he kept losing to Nadal at R.G. On the other hand if he'd played Del Potro in the U.S. Open final on grass, then yes, I guess he'd have had a NCYGS.
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and still it doesnt stop the press from talking about that "goat" business.

to set the record perfectly straight, fed also has said in the past that he wants to be known as the greatest of all time. it was before the french open to start a few years ago. i saw and heard that interview with my own eyes and my own ears.

a senior sports illustrated writer asked him why it was important for him to win the french open. fed said--in no uncertain terms--that it was because he wanted to be known as the greatest of all time.


now i believe he as matured and has a much more reasonable position. maximum respect each era and the let the history and the records speak for themselves.

17 majors and 6 years at #1 cannot lie.
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and still it doesnt stop the press from talking about that "goat" business.

to set the record perfectly straight, fed also has said in the past that he wants to be known as the greatest of all time. it was before the french open to start a few years ago. i saw and heard that interview with my own eyes and my own ears.

a senior sports illustrated writer asked him why it was important for him to win the french open. fed said--in no uncertain terms--that it was because he wanted to be known as the greatest of all time.


now i believe he as matured and has a much more reasonable position. maximum respect each era and the let the history and the records speak for themselves.

17 majors and 6 years at #1 cannot lie.
That seems to be how I remembered it has well general. He's obviously gained some perspective through the years.

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affirmative general mc. there is no way around 17 majors and 6 years at #1.

they speak more loudly than anything or anyone.

those numbers are hard to top.
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Personally I think Fed's driving force these days are his rivals. Beneath his calm exterior he is a fierce competitor, and I think there's no way if Nadal and Djokovic hadn't arrived he'd have the same drive to win he does now. I think becoming no1 is the really big thing for him.

He's not so worried about past champions from other eras.
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that is exactly why i have suggested that he will play and compete until he is 41-43 years old.
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