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Old 03-20-2012, 04:42 PM   #331
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i was just thinking that if fed is able to hold on to this form and his fitness, he is going to be among the favorites on grass.

anybody feels differently?
he is always the favorite on grass.........except against Nadal
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how do you like fed`s chances if he was to run into no-djok at wimbledon?
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how do you like fed`s chances if he was to run into no-djok at wimbledon?
He would destroy Djokovic at Wimbledon, dont you think so?
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that depends. can he hold on to his present form? at what time does the fatigue---both mental and physical--set in. clay season is going to be grueling as you know.

what is your take on this fatigue factor? he is pushing 31.
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Old 03-20-2012, 06:25 PM   #335
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no expert, but fed can beat novak on grass....fed can beat anyone on grass, he just has to have the confidence and he is high up there in that right now, now can he maintain the momentum is the big question.

I certainly like Novak's game and his attitude so if not Fed, i'm willing to have Novak win it...just no Nadal, cant deal with the clay monster winning another wimbledon....

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Physically, maybe. He is approaching 31.

Mentally, doubt it. He is approaching 31! Seriously, the fact that he is 30.5 and still pushing like this after all he accomplished tells you that he probably won't give up until at least he has something big; let it be a slam, Olympic gold or #1. Even if he does get one of these, I think he will continue, as long as there is no injury or something like that.

Who knows?
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If you are talking about 100 titles you should change the thread name into The King of Tennis
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If one were to have the top 4 players in a modified round robin invitational tourney at Wimbledon, I predict these would be the results:
Winners bolded:

day 1; Djokovic vs Murray in 3 sets, Nadal vs Federer in 3 sets
day 3; Djokovic vs Federer in 2 sets, Nadal vs Murray in 3 sets
day 5; Djokovic vs Nadal in 3 sets, Federer vs Murray in 2 sets

wins w-l
ND: 1 3-5
RN: 1 4-5
RF: 3 5-1
AM: 1 3-5

day 7; top 2 play in a best of 5 final:
Nadal makes it because of better set record.

Nadal vs Federer in 4 sets

Of course, your predictions may differ

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Federer in gras... Let's wait untin Halle, there we should know...
ATM, watching Fed's tennis level{, in a year without injuries, I think Fed could dominate grass this year. Yeah, i'm totally serious here. I can see him as a big gun for Wimbledon, even in 5 sets.
Also the olympics, that 3-set format suits him so well.



Clay Death made a thread about one player he don't support and he showed respect during the whole thread, living with FedFans in their "Natural habitat".
I don't think I could live 3 days in the RafaForum. I never entered there. It could be a vampire-cave. I respect Rafa, but some fans piss me off so much.

So, I think you shouldn't "Fix" that. A user who can respect his favorite's player nemesis and deal with the fans in this way... I don't know, my opinion.
The fact that he is best friends with his quad accounts of FailFK, Failerko and Tard da Fail, who are the scum of this forum, and he even calls them his little princesses and generalitas makes him just as bad. Not to mention to occasional cluelessness of our sport claiming that tennis has no such thing as "match ups" along with his other 3 accounts. I mean just take a look at that fail of a thread. Just because he makes some random OBVIOUS predictions like if Nadal and Federer don't step up, Djokovic will, like no shit? castle fans are like wow cd you are so great! Funny.

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If one were to have the top 4 players in a modified round robin invitational tourney at Wimbledon, I predict these would be the results:
Winners bolded:

day 1; Djokovic vs Murray in 3 sets, Nadal vs Federer in 3 sets
day 3; Djokovic vs Federer in 2 sets, Nadal vs Murray in 3 sets
day 5; Djokovic vs Nadal in 3 sets, Federer vs Murray in 2 sets

wins w-l
ND: 1 3-5
RN: 1 4-5
RF: 3 5-1
AM: 1 3-5

day 7; top 2 play in a best of 5 final:
Nadal makes it because of better set record.

Nadal vs Federer in 4 sets

Of course, your predictions may differ

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Old 03-20-2012, 07:32 PM   #340
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how do you like fed`s chances if he was to run into no-djok at wimbledon?
I think Federer would beat Nole at RG and Wimbledon.

At the HC slams, looks really tough. Nole will probably win many HC slams during his career and Federer has not beaten Nole at a HC slam since 2009. At the AO and USO, Nole would very likely win. He is a monster at the HC slams now. Nole is the favorite to win USO this year. He's not lost at the USO before the SF since he was a teen in 2006.
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that depends. can he hold on to his present form? at what time does the fatigue---both mental and physical--set in. clay season is going to be grueling as you know.

what is your take on this fatigue factor? he is pushing 31.
Here is my opinion about this generalito.


Fed is the fittest guy on tour. I know his footwork isn't that impeccable as it used to be, although it's improving this season.


But you have to agree that he is the guy who scheduled his tournaments the best and the fact that he has an attacking style of play and puts players out of their misery in 1 hour 10 minutes (best of 3) and 1 hour 30 minutes (best of 5) normally would give him enough energy overall in his career.


For example; Murray, Djokovic (pre 2011) and Nadal when straighsetting people will take a lot more time because they play more and longer rallies.


Therefore he can play till 36/37 if he wants to. He also got a lot of freebies on the serve. Don't forget that.
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Here is my opinion about this generalito.


Fed is the fittest guy on tour. I know his footwork isn't that impeccable as it used to be, although it's improving this season.


But you have to agree that he is the guy who scheduled his tournaments the best and the fact that he has an attacking style of play and puts players out of their misery in 1 hour 10 minutes (best of 3) and 1 hour 30 minutes (best of 5) normally would give him enough energy overall in his career.


For example; Murray, Djokovic (pre 2011) and Nadal when straighsetting people will take a lot more time because they play more and longer rallies.


Therefore he can play till 36/37 if he wants to. He also got a lot of freebies on the serve. Don't forget that.

great post general.

i will add only this:

he can put pressure on you on any surface as you saw at indian wells. he can even do that on clay.

then there is that constant threat at net: he is the best net player in the game but he doesnt even have to volley at times. he can take that ball early when attacking and dictating with the forehand and with just the slightest hint that he is coming forward makes people miss. now the passing shots have to be more precise or he is going to end the point.

and that serve is bigger than ever right now. another fact:

he used to hold serve around 88% of the time when he was at the very height of his powers. now he is taking care of his serve nearly 92% of the time. that has to help his cause.

you what i always say: you cannot win if you cannot break.

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Federer's BH was tearing down Nadal's FH. A novelty. His return was pretty good with his BH as well. At almost 31, Federer is still improving his BH. Federer's FH is still awesome.
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where are you seeing fed`s more significant improvements, say, from last year?

is the return better? and also what about the backhand? or is he simply more confident?
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Federer's BH was tearing down Nadal's FH. A novelty. His return was pretty good with his BH as well. At almost 31, Federer is still improving his BH. Federer's FH is still awesome.
Can't disagree too much here Mr. reery. I think the BH analysis is especially true when the ball hasn't been bouncing so high on him, as in the last 2 matches at Indian Wells where the unusually cool, windy and more humid weather helped keep the ball down. With the wind, it's more difficult for players to manage a big looping topspin.

Aside from that, here is where I think Mr. Federer has improved since the US Open:

Mentally: On the whole, he has gotten much better at successfully fencing in his mental lapses, walkabouts, losses of focus, whatever you want to call them. Yes, he still has them, but for shorter periods than before, where he was going away for 1 or even 2 sets in a 5 set major. As he progressed during late 2011 through the WTF, he was dropping his level for perhaps two games or so at most. Of course this is still long enough to lose a close set, like he did to Tsonga at WTF. But what he has managed to do better and better, is toughen up and put an end to it to his drops in level, and I think it has mostly been his strength of serve that has helped him recover his mental focus.
Since the Davis Cup in Switzerland it has even been better, where his level might drop for a few points here and there, maybe a game, but again he recovers.

Another key is that his tiebreaker mentality appears to have improved. Believe it or not, I think his decision in Rotterdam to play a 2 super tiebreaker exho mid tournament with the Dutchman Igor Sijsling after Youzhny withdrew, helped him toughen up mentally in tiebreakers thereafter. He is 4 out of 5 in tiebreakers since that day, beating Llodra and Del Potro in 2 of them, in Dubai, and Isner at Indian Wells, only losing to the huge serving Raonic early at Indian Wells.

Last, but not least, as he has been winning more and more, his confidence has naturally steadily risen, which also helps him get over the tough spots.

Game Play:
Serve:

His serve has been clutch, especially since after the Davis Cup in Switzerland. It's helped him get out of the situations where his aggressive groundstrokes that turn into unforced errors have put him behind. He is varying his serve, I think, as well as he has ever done. He can bring the heat when he needs it, but he is even better at placing it when he needs to do so.

Return of serve:
On his return of serve, his initial return has been clutch when he needs it. His blocking shot has never been better in my opinion. He is generally hitting the defensive floater less than he had been, which I think is good. Better to have a bit riskier shot to take time away from the server, then to just float a return back, unless the serve is just too good.

Groundstrokes:
He seems to be better at judging when to take the ball early and go for a shot, vs. returning to keep the ball in play until he can work himself into a better strategic position. His short hop returns when he is standing on the baseline and a ball comes at him deep are really disheartening to the opponent as they come back almost as fast as they were hit. He seems to be more confident using his backhand topspin as long as the ball isn't coming at him too high. His forehand seems to be more explosive when he needs it to be, and I think he is only floating the ball back when he is absolutely has no choice.

There's probably more, but I'll leave that for someone else...

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