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Old 09-26-2012, 09:26 PM   #1621
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Cheers, masterclass. Let's hope Roger's had a nice short break in Dubai and is ready for Shanghai. It would have helped had this event been kept indoors instead of outdoor stupid HCs.
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Davis Cup should never have really mattered in the GOAT discussion anyway since it's a team event. If you're talking about the GOAT singles player then you should mainly look at individual results.
If some unknown talent came out of some random tiny country (no chance to win DC) and won 20 slams, no one would give a single shit if that player didn't have DC. The fact is, success in DC is largely determined by what country you come from or play for in the first place, which most players haven't had any control over.
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Old 10-11-2012, 11:26 PM   #1622
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So after this tread is on the brink of annihilation I'll bump it again. How do people rate RF's chances at equalling Mac's first of two records (875/77) in Shanghai. I say if he beats in Cilic in less than 1.5 hours, he stands a good chance against Murray. As for Djokovic, I hope he loses before the final for maximum point gain.
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Davis Cup should never have really mattered in the GOAT discussion anyway since it's a team event. If you're talking about the GOAT singles player then you should mainly look at individual results.
If some unknown talent came out of some random tiny country (no chance to win DC) and won 20 slams, no one would give a single shit if that player didn't have DC. The fact is, success in DC is largely determined by what country you come from or play for in the first place, which most players haven't had any control over.
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The courts suit Fed this year it seems so he should be the fave. He seemed a bit sluggish today, I think Muz will be tougher than Nole for him. Have to see how he does tomorrow. I think to have a realistic chance to get the YE number one he has to win here and have Nole lose before the finals. That would be a 640 point gain.
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Don't count Fed out, he still has 2 good years left in his old body. He can win SW19 and maybe one more Slam next year (AO? USO?) and one more in 2014.... Don't give up on your dreams dear Fedtards.
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The courts suit Fed this year it seems so he should be the fave. He seemed a bit sluggish today, I think Muz will be tougher than Nole for him. Have to see how he does tomorrow. I think to have a realistic chance to get the YE number one he has to win here and have Nole lose before the finals. That would be a 640 point gain.
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Whilst Murray should be tougher in rallies (I haven't seen a single match of him in Asia so far), Djokovic's serve has hugely improved. Then again, it seems to go away when he plays Fed, so you never know. Murray did beat Djoker on a similarly fast court in Dubai, so he is better in these conditions than No23.
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Whilst Murray should be tougher in rallies (I haven't seen a single match of him in Asia so far), Djokovic's serve has hugely improved. Then again, it seems to go away when he plays Fed, so you never know. Murray did beat Djoker on a similarly fast court in Dubai, so he is better in these conditions than No23.
Verdasco? I do agree Murray is better than Verdasco.
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Old 10-12-2012, 12:11 AM   #1628
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You know this was possibly the only instance where I didn't spell Djoker's name as No23 on purpose (wanted No2e but the 3 was close ).
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You know this was possibly the only instance where I didn't spell Djoker's name as No23 on purpose (wanted No2e but the 3 was close ).
I like it. No23.

Where we at now with titles for Roger? He's got a good chance to add yet another judging by the court speed so far.
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At 76, hence he can equal Mac with 77 if he serves some more bagels here .
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Don't count Fed out, he still has 2 good years left in his old body. He can win SW19 and maybe one more Slam next year (AO? USO?) and one more in 2014.... Don't give up on your dreams dear Fedtards.
You can never count Fed out as the same way as you can never count Fed in (it's kinda weird, but it's true).
Federer won Indian Wells when nobody gave 2 cents for him, even defeating Nadal in an outdoor HC, everyone was like WHAAAAAT?.
But then, he also lost the Halle final in his best surface vs Haas.

I still think Andy will win this tournament, he has something in Shanghai we don't understand.
No, I don't think what some Muzzatardz say as "Murray's Shanghai is as Rafa's Montecarlo", no way, but still, he's the favorite for me.

I think Roger will win Basel, if he plays Paris he'll be the favorite, and he'd probably be the favorite for the WTF also, but that doesn't mean he'd win it, for the same reason I said before.
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You can never count Fed out as the same way as you can never count Fed in (it's kinda weird, but it's true).
Federer won Indian Wells when nobody gave 2 cents for him, even defeating Nadal in an outdoor HC, everyone was like WHAAAAAT?.
But then, he also lost the Halle final in his best surface vs Haas.

I still think Andy will win this tournament, he has something in Shanghai we don't understand.
No, I don't think what some Muzzatardz say as "Murray's Shanghai is as Rafa's Montecarlo", no way, but still, he's the favorite for me.

I think Roger will win Basel, if he plays Paris he'll be the favorite, and he'd probably be the favorite for the WTF also, but that doesn't mean he'd win it, for the same reason I said before.
I don't think Murray will win it. I favour Fed to get to the final. Murray had only 1 good/decent opponent with solid ground game since USO - Wawrinka in Tokyo. He beat Karlovic (servebot - I love Karlo, but ...), Lacko (who is in very bad form), lost to Raonic (server with weak ground game), beat Dolgo (with his unorthodox style and clowny game) and now will face Stepanek (talk about baseline game...). So I if Fed plays even close to his level, I think he'll win. And last, but not least, don't forget that Murray's game in the USO was nothing that great. Sure, he deserved his title, but his was on a verge of losing to Lopez, Cilic and Djokovic (to some extent) also...
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At 76, hence he can equal Mac with 77 if he serves some more bagels here .
Well he has a long way to go to 100. Indoor season coming up so he must add at least 2 titles. Shame he probably won't play Paris.
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That has been a hilarious meme. Wouldn't it be funny if that appeared in some of the actual tennis publications and not just MTF.
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i don't think we will see #77 at shanghai. #77 at basel,#78 at london. i think he will skip paris...
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