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Old 02-18-2012, 10:31 PM   #31
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accurate enough, except for that 9.5 for Federer's tactics. He is famous for his stubbornness and reluctance to adapt his game to opponents. That is why for example Nadal hurt him so much, while Novak constantly tried to figure out Rafa, which he eventually did.

Federer is the worst tactician of the four, imo.
He did that against Hewitt and Nalbandián.
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Old 02-18-2012, 10:34 PM   #32
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CURRENT VERSONS:

DJOKOVIC: 51/60
Forehand - 8, fairly good but nowhere near the best.
Backhand - 10, joint with Murray as the best on tour.
Serve - 8, nothing majorly special.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9, he regularly gets tired and exhausted in his matches. Of course, this could just be an act. Knowing Djokovic, it probably is, so he gets a 9.
Mental Strength - 9, nothing wrong with his mentality, but he doesn't like it when crowds are cheering for his opponent
Tactics - 7. He has no tactics. He just grinds. However, he can do far more than Nadal can.

NADAL: 42/60
Forehand - 7, not great.
Backhand - 7, not great.
Serve - 5, he has a horrible serve
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9, is falling.
Mental Strength - 9, same as ever.
Tactics - 5. Nadal has tactics? He just grinds, like Djokovic.

FEDERER: 44/60
Forehand - 8, still very good.
Backhand - 5, to be honest, it's a joke.
Serve - 7, not as good anymore.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9, he is old now, but there's nothing wrong with him physically.
Mental Strength - 8, still relatively strong.
Tactics - 7, not as good as they once were.

MURRAY: 52/60
Forehand - 8, very good atm. Far better than what it used to be.
Backhand - 10, joint with Djokovic as the best on tour.
Serve - 8, on and off, though very good when it's on.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9, one of the fittest guys on tour, though he does get days when he's unsually tired.
Mental Strength - 7, looking better, but it's still not the best.
Tactics - 10, currently the best tactical player on tour. That's how he plays.


PEAK VERSIONS:

DJOKOVIC: 51/60
The same as his current version.
Forehand - 8, fairly good but nowhere near the best.
Backhand - 10, joint with Murray as the best on tour.
Serve - 8, nothing majorly special.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9, he regularly gets tired and exhausted in his matches. Of course, this could just be an act. Knowing Djokovic, it probably is, so he gets a 9.
Mental Strength - 9, nothing wrong with his mentality, but he doesn't like it when crowds are cheering for his opponent
Tactics - 7 (He has no tactics. He just grinds. However, he can do far more than Nadal can.)

FEDERER: 59/60
Forehand - 10, the best.
Backhand - 10, amazing.
Serve - 10, unbreakable.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 10, one of the fittest and strongest guys ever. Hardly ever got injured.
Mental Strength - 9, not the best, but still very good.
Tactics - 10, unstoppable.

NADAL: 45/60
Forehand - 8, overrated, but still very good.
Backhand - 7, it's never been great.
Serve - 6, has always been mediocre.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 10, one of the best, though his constant timeouts would get him a lower score, if it wasn't for the fact that they're all fake.
Mental Strength - 9, very good usually.
Tactics - 5, he's just a grinder.

MURRAY: 52/60
Forehand - 8, very good atm. Far better than what it used to be.
Backhand - 10, joint with Djokovic as the best on tour.
Serve - 8, on and off, though very good when it's on.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9, one of the fittest guys on tour, though he does get days when he's unsually tired.
Mental Strength - 7, looking better, but it's still not the best.
Tactics - 10, currently the best tactical player on tour. That's how he plays.

Yes, I know I put Murray above peak Djokovic, but that's based on these categories. Overall, Djokovic is obviously better atm, though Murray is very close and at his peak, would be on a similar, if not higher, level.
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CURRENT VERSONS:
PEAK VERSIONS:

NADAL: 45/60
Forehand - 8, overrated, but still very good.
Backhand - 7, it's never been great.
Serve - 6, has always been mediocre.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 10, one of the best, though his constant timeouts would get him a lower score, if it wasn't for the fact that they're all fake.
Mental Strength - 9, very good usually.
Tactics - 5, he's just a grinder.

MURRAY: 52/60Forehand - 8, very good atm. Far better than what it used to be.
Backhand - 10, joint with Djokovic as the best on tour.
Serve - 8, on and off, though very good when it's on.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9, one of the fittest guys on tour, though he does get days when he's unsually tired.
Mental Strength - 7, looking better, but it's still not the best.
Tactics - 10, currently the best tactical player on tour. That's how he plays.

Yes, I know I put Murray above peak Djokovic, but that's based on these categories. Overall, Djokovic is obviously better atm, though Murray is very close and at his peak, would be on a similar, if not higher, level.
So Nadal at his peak is just 45/60 yet is an all time great with ridiculous records, 10 slams, Masters record etc. whilst Murray is 52 and yet to win a slam. Please do explain.

Some obvious errors - Nadal's serve is apparently 6 while Murray's 8. Nadal's serve though not fast is dependable and crucially he has a high first serve % usually. Murray's first serve is way better than Nadal's but he has a much lower % and has a much much worse second serve. Murray himself has said Nadal's 2nd serve is quite difficult to return and he places it well. A dependable good first serve & fairly good second serve for Nadal is better than Murray's great but unpredictable first serve and poor second serve. Murray cannot rank 2 points higher than Nadal on this.

Murray's fitness 9 while Nadal's 10 - hmmm... Murray's fitness which had him utterly gassed at the Aus Open despite hardly being stretched at all till the semifinal. When has he displayed such herculean fitness that it should be a 1 point difference between them? He trains hard but he has in his career lost matches due to fitness issues way more than Nadal has.

Mental Strength - way more than a 3 point difference between him and Nadal there - the reason Nadal has so many slams while Murray, techincally a better player in certain aspects & certainly complete enough to win slams, doesn't is pretty much all mental. Case in point: Wimby 2011 semi. If Nadal is 9, then Murray is 5.

Tactics - 10?! What has he done to show he's so great tactically? Hasn't been working so well vs the top 3. He's good obviously but nothing to show he's better than Nadal or Djokovic... Nadal will often change tactics himself during a match if something isn't working. Very rarely do I see Murray do that...

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He did that against Hewitt and Nalbandián.
How? Both players suit Fed's style well and it comes natural. On-fire Nalby was a spectacle to behold though, during such rare moments like in 2007 Fed had no solutions for him. Federer has always been very solid and versatile player, but I don't think he planned ahead much or thought much about his opponents.

here's my take anyway

Nole:
Forehand: 8
Backhand: 10
Serve: 8
Physical Strength & Fitness: 9
Mental Strength: 9
Tactics: 10

Nadal:
Forehand: 9
Backhand: 7
Serve: 7
Physical Strength & Fitness: 10
Mental Strength: 10
Tactics: 8

Roger:
Forehand: 10
Backhand: 9
Serve: 10
Physical Strength & Fitness: 8
Mental Strength: 7
Tactics: 7

Murray:
Forehand: 8
Backhand: 9
Serve: 8
Physical Strength & Fitness: 9
Mental Strength: 6
Tactics: 9
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Why is the Muzzard even on this list? The top 3 are all multi-slam winners who have been dominant #1 players on the ATP. The Muzzard is just... there.
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All scores are based on current form

Djokovic,
Forehand - 9
Backhand -10
Serve -8
Physical Strength & Fitness -9
Mental Strength - 10
Tactics - 9

Nadal,

Forehand -9
Backhand -8
Serve - 7
Physical Strength & Fitness - 10
Mental Strength - 10 (when facing opponents other than Nole. 4-5 when facing Nole)
Tactics - 7

Federer

Forehand -9
Backhand -7
Serve - 10
Physical Strength & Fitness - 7
Mental Strength - 8 (2-3 when facing Nadal)
Tactics - 7

(Note, Nadal and Fed at their peak obviously had 10 forehands, but now they make a lot more errors off that wing)
Murray
Forehand - 8
Backhand - 10
Serve - 8
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9
Mental Strength - 7
Tactics - 9
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Old 02-18-2012, 11:16 PM   #38
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Murray's backhand isn't a 10. His tactics aren't a 9 either. Nole's backhand isn't a 10.

The only stroke that could be given a 10 is Federer's forehand in his absolute prime.

Rogie's backhand rating varies wildly depending on surface. On grass and low bouncing hard court its more like an 8 but on slow high bouncing surfaces its a 6-6.5 these days.

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Djokovic:
Forehand: 8
Backhand: 10
Serve: 8
Physical Strength & Fitness: 9
Mental Strength: 9
Tactics: 8

Nadal:
Forehand: 9
Backhand: 7
Serve: 7
Physical Strength & Fitness: 10
Mental Strength: 10
Tactics: 8

Federer:
Forehand: 10
Backhand: 6
Serve: 9
Physical Strength & Fitness: 8
Mental Strength: 7
Tactics: 7

Murray:
Forehand: 7
Backhand: 9
Serve: 8
Physical Strength & Fitness: 9
Mental Strength: 6
Tactics: 9
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CURRENT VERSONS:

DJOKOVIC: 51/60
Forehand - 8, fairly good but nowhere near the best.
Backhand - 10, joint with Murray as the best on tour.
Serve - 8, nothing majorly special.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9, he regularly gets tired and exhausted in his matches. Of course, this could just be an act. Knowing Djokovic, it probably is, so he gets a 9.
Mental Strength - 9, nothing wrong with his mentality, but he doesn't like it when crowds are cheering for his opponent
Tactics - 7. He has no tactics. He just grinds. However, he can do far more than Nadal can.

NADAL: 42/60
Forehand - 7, not great.
Backhand - 7, not great.
Serve - 5, he has a horrible serve
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9, is falling.
Mental Strength - 9, same as ever.
Tactics - 5. Nadal has tactics? He just grinds, like Djokovic.

FEDERER: 44/60
Forehand - 8, still very good.
Backhand - 5, to be honest, it's a joke.
Serve - 7, not as good anymore.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9, he is old now, but there's nothing wrong with him physically.
Mental Strength - 8, still relatively strong.
Tactics - 7, not as good as they once were.

MURRAY: 52/60
Forehand - 8, very good atm. Far better than what it used to be.
Backhand - 10, joint with Djokovic as the best on tour.
Serve - 8, on and off, though very good when it's on.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9, one of the fittest guys on tour, though he does get days when he's unsually tired.
Mental Strength - 7, looking better, but it's still not the best.
Tactics - 10, currently the best tactical player on tour. That's how he plays.


PEAK VERSIONS:

DJOKOVIC: 51/60
The same as his current version.
Forehand - 8, fairly good but nowhere near the best.
Backhand - 10, joint with Murray as the best on tour.
Serve - 8, nothing majorly special.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9, he regularly gets tired and exhausted in his matches. Of course, this could just be an act. Knowing Djokovic, it probably is, so he gets a 9.
Mental Strength - 9, nothing wrong with his mentality, but he doesn't like it when crowds are cheering for his opponent
Tactics - 7 (He has no tactics. He just grinds. However, he can do far more than Nadal can.)

FEDERER: 59/60
Forehand - 10, the best.
Backhand - 10, amazing.
Serve - 10, unbreakable.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 10, one of the fittest and strongest guys ever. Hardly ever got injured.
Mental Strength - 9, not the best, but still very good.
Tactics - 10, unstoppable.

NADAL: 45/60
Forehand - 8, overrated, but still very good.
Backhand - 7, it's never been great.
Serve - 6, has always been mediocre.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 10, one of the best, though his constant timeouts would get him a lower score, if it wasn't for the fact that they're all fake.
Mental Strength - 9, very good usually.
Tactics - 5, he's just a grinder.

MURRAY: 52/60
Forehand - 8, very good atm. Far better than what it used to be.
Backhand - 10, joint with Djokovic as the best on tour.
Serve - 8, on and off, though very good when it's on.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9, one of the fittest guys on tour, though he does get days when he's unsually tired.
Mental Strength - 7, looking better, but it's still not the best.
Tactics - 10, currently the best tactical player on tour. That's how he plays.

Yes, I know I put Murray above peak Djokovic, but that's based on these categories. Overall, Djokovic is obviously better atm, though Murray is very close and at his peak, would be on a similar, if not higher, level.
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I have to lol inwardly at those consistently giving Muzz or Nole super high scores for tactics.

Muzz is tactically good at keeping a rally going really long, but he's also great at being totally clueless and pushing his way to defeat.

And anyone who does the ludicrous drop shot attempts from the baseline as a get out of jail free card (Muzz and Nole) should not score 10 for tactics!!

I would probably even place Nadal above Muzz and Nole, except when facing Nole he has no clue. Normally he's pretty good at constructing points and finding opponents' backh... weaknesses.

Feds is way better tactically than most are giving him credit for here. That's why Fed can damage Nole, and Rafa can't. Watch one of the good Fed/Nole matches for a tactics lesson.
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I have to lol inwardly at those consistently giving Muzz or Nole super high scores for tactics.

Muzz is tactically good at keeping a rally going really long, but he's also great at being totally clueless and pushing his way to defeat.

And anyone who does the ludicrous drop shot attempts from the baseline as a get out of jail free card (Muzz and Nole) should not score 10 for tactics!!

I would probably even place Nadal above Muzz and Nole, except when facing Nole he has no clue. Normally he's pretty good at constructing points and finding opponents' backh... weaknesses.

Feds is way better tactically than most are giving him credit for here. That's why Fed can damage Nole, and Rafa can't. Watch one of the good Fed/Nole matches for a tactics lesson.
Yes. Fed is a wizard at tactics- that's why he's played the same match against Nadal for 7 years. Tactical wizard.
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Yes. Fed is a wizard at tactics- that's why he's played the same match against Nadal for 7 years. Tactical wizard.
Yeah his tactics aren't great against Rafa.
But there's not a lot he can do to win that matchup - it requires too high a level of play sustained for too long.
Rafa is similar against Nole.

You can't judge a player's entire tactics based on one matchup.
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Old 02-19-2012, 12:16 AM   #45
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Default Re: Rank the following qualities of the top 4 from 1 to 10

People often overrate the Djokovic backhand and underrate his forehand. In my book they are pretty equal. The forehand actually does more damage these days. Most of the scores are pretty consistent and accurate for all the players.
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