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Old 02-17-2012, 08:19 PM   #16
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did we watch the same match then ?
Remember that the Rafole rivarly sets the tennis standards these days and unless you got a 30+ rally in every single point the quality of a match remains awful. Aces, winners and fast exchanges are unacceptable.
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Overall Federer had many more chances that Nieminen, even though some are saying Nieminen was not great under pressure, he did save a bunch of BP's, but the main problem was that he didn't even force a BP of his own the entire match. He did well to get this scoreline.
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Old 02-17-2012, 08:23 PM   #18
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Good match from Jarkko, made it close like last time in Basel. Fought well but Roger too strong in the decisive moments. Beating Federer in a tiebreak is a tough task especially for Jarkko considering that his serve isn't strong.

Still, a positive tournament overall for Jarkko with the QF and a tight match against Roger. Hope his wrist stays ok, had some problems with it in the DC tie.
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Nemo did a very decent job actually, the only thing is that he just couldn't find a way to deal with Fed's first serve.
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so happy Roger beat ugly teeth
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Watched only second set, except for serving pretty poor from both, error fest
Not from my vantage point. It was a largely well served, well played match. No opportunities for break for Niemenen, Federer won 79% of his service points. A few more opportunities for break from Federer, but Niemenen fought well. There were a relatively small amount of unforced errors, considering they were both going for winners and short play. When there were some errors, they mostly didn't matter a whole lot, such as the awful casual attempt squash by Federer at the net late in the second set. He followed it up with a service winner for the game. There was really only one poorer game from Jarkko in the first getting broken from a 40 love lead, combined with Mr. Federer upping his level, which is all it took there. And a good focused tiebreaker in the second set from Federer (his super tiebreak exho play yesterday benefited him), Nieminen played a bit tight, and Federer walked away a winner.

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did we watch the same match then ?
I was wondering the same, what quality did you see there? In second set, Fed was routinely missing the open court, he failed to convert any break point he had; Nieminen made a whole lot of errors going after Fed's second serves and was barely winning points on Fed's serve, had no break points at all; completely went missing in the tie break. There were some good shots, but far from quality match.

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One more match and you could say that Federer is 15-love against him.
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Remember that the Rafole rivarly sets the tennis standards these days and unless you got a 30+ rally in every single point the quality of a match remains awful. Aces, winners and fast exchanges are unacceptable.
Yes, they don't belong on a court like this. Doesn't suit them. They wouldn't care. It's like the indoor season in the fall. Just give them a court like Miami, Indian Wells, Rod Laver and all of the slower playing courts and let them slug it out from the baseline or further back till they drop. Trouble is, one or both just might soon, and that would be sad.

They don't need a shorter schedule, they simply need to play on more varied surfaces with a preference toward faster playing hard courts, which is the most damaging to the players joints. They (all ATP tournament officials and players) have to realize there is a benefit to playing on a variety of paced courts.

It means that the same players won't have to go deep in every tournament, but they still have a chance of getting a few points and cash. Points, games, and matches will be shorter on the faster more damaging courts, their bodies will thank them for it and they might be able to last the whole year. More forgiving courts like soft clay can stay slow. And you will see different players going deeper in tournaments because they will be able to find a surface that suits their play.

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I was wondering the same, what quality did you see there? In second set, Fed was routinely missing the open court, he failed to convert any break point he had; Nieminen made a whole lot of errors going after Fed's second serves and was barely winning points on Fed's serve, had no break points at all; completely went missing in the tie break. There were some good shots, but far from quality match.
You can't only look at errors. It's about service and winners and when the service didn't win the point, it's because each player was aggressive, going for winners almost the whole match. There were a few bad errors, but not many. You can't expect them to rally 20+ shots on an indoor surface like this. It's not real fast, but it's fast and low bouncing enough where players like Mr. Nadal or Mr. Djokovic wouldn't want to be here. Probably a bit faster surface would have produced fewer errors as both players were going for the lines, both wide (mostly Federer) and deep (mostly Nieminen).

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They don't need a shorter schedule, they simply need to play on more varied surfaces with a preference toward faster playing hard courts, which is the most damaging to the players joints. They (all ATP tournament officials and players) have to realize there is a benefit to playing on a variety of paced courts.

It means that the same players won't have to go deep in every tournament, but they still have a chance of getting a few points and cash. Points, games, and matches will be shorter on the faster more damaging courts, their bodies will thank them for it and they might be able to last the whole year. More forgiving courts like soft clay can stay slow. And you will see different players going deeper in tournaments because they will be able to find a surface that suits their play.

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Now I have to finish the petition (I hope to have solid time this weekend) that basically says what I said here (but it's not just a "speed up the courts" message), but a little more geared toward showing how varied conditions will end up being a long term advantage (even monetarily) for all concerned. It's going to try to demonstrate that a preference of having uniform slow conditions that encourages long matches to bring more advertising revenue and fan support is short term thinking and in the long term damaging to the sport and players, and inevitably the fans.

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Testify, masterclass. It's just bs how much slow hardcourts there are these days. No carpet, no green clay, even red clay is on decline. It's just amazing how much the surfaces have changed in last 30 years, and it has been for the worse.
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