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Old 02-11-2012, 04:59 PM   #61
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Old 02-11-2012, 05:03 PM   #62
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Default Re: USA def. Switzerland 3-0....

Caps off a disastrous weekend for the Swiss.

In fairness, I wouldn't have expected them to win the doubles anyway. But they should have been 2-1 up going into Sunday, with Federer to comfortably clinch the tie in the 4th rubber against Fish.

What a shocker of a tie. Two dead rubbers. At least the crowd will probably be treated to Harrison and Isner tomorrow. Federer surely won't play, but Wawrinka probably ought to simply out of respect for the crowd.
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Just the fact that Federer has to play doubles to save the swiss´s ass, says everything about their quality as a whole.

But you gotta give credit when it´s due. Fish came through Chokerinka and Isner outplayed Federer. They played better and won, when everyone thought they would lose.

I just don´t get all the apocalyptic coments on Federer. Did you really thought the Swiss team would get the title? Let´s be honest, they have a shitty squad.

As for Federer, he might just lose straight away, then fighting and burning out for nothing.
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Apocalyptic comments about Fed after he loses is normal MTF behaviour.

Not sure what I'm more Devo-ed about: that the Swiss lost so badly, or that I didn't get to watch a single Federer match.
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Old 02-11-2012, 05:23 PM   #65
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I did not see this coming. USA for the whitewash? . Federer has never really been that invested in the Davis cup. His gifts to the Swiss people have always arrived in the form of majors.
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Default Re: USA def. Switzerland 3-0....

bit funny that Swiss had home advantage but it almost worked against them. Pressure, the clay surface didn't give much (maybe should have gone for super slow low bouncing hc but easy to say now)


Going to be interesting to see if Federer shows up for the relegation round to redeem himself. Probably should....
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People are saying the Swiss have done poorly but if we look in the future things might get even worse.They are still in the top division but the big issue is there aren`t any youngster coming into the team.With Lammer or Chiudinelli in the team,2 guys around 30 and not a lot of success in their careers says it all.The future is pretty bleak for Swiss tennis.
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It's been said before but Fed's not a team player and he really doesn't care about playing for his country - imagine Nadal or Djokovic playing that doubles match, knowing the tie was on the line, they'd have taken control way more and put up a fight. Fed just doesn't do it - same in the 4th set vs Isner yesterday - he just doesn't view Davis Cup as being that important for some reason...

Big hole in his CV and it'll now stay there for ever - Borg, Laver, McEnroe, Rafa etc. all came up big for their country in this format - Fed sadly hasn't been that bothered after that loss to Hewitt in 2003 - maybe once he went onto all that success in majors he couldn't pump himself up for this - but it's a shame really. If that's the last time we see Fed play Davis Cup (what are the chances he'll turn up for the play offs...) then what a way to go out - loss to Isner at home on clay & then set up match point for the USA by mishitting his backhand (unlucky bounce for him...).
I agree that Roger does not seem to care very much
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Old 02-11-2012, 05:47 PM   #69
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Of course fed never cared about davis cup he never did, what a selfish man.
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Great win for the US. Can't believe they chose to play this on clay. Many thanks to the Swiss! Note for the future, play on YOUR best surface!!
clay was the most adequate surface given the circumstances

federer is the second best clay courter of the past 10 years and clay is wawa's fave surface. meanwhile it's well known that the yanks dont like clay much.

there are many reasons to be found for this loss but the court isn't one of them
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Apocalyptic comments about Fed after he loses is normal MTF behaviour.

Not sure what I'm more Devo-ed about: that the Swiss lost so badly, or that I didn't get to watch a single Federer match.
I don't know. It's more like the reaction towards Fed's dedication to Davis Cup than him being done and retiring.

It's obvious a good amount of people carry no respect nor value towards Davis Cup here in the MTF, but honestly, if you're going to go for Davis Cup, at least treat it like it means something. If you're here just for practice, then tank a lower-tier tournament or something. At least when you lose, your country's morale doesn't lower to a sad state of silence or hostility.

I can't think of any way to excuse the Swiss Team or Roger himself other than lack of effort. This is the clay court, for lord's sake. Since when does the US win anything on clay other than the Bryan Brothers these days? And I have to lol at people saying this should have been won on indoor hard. Wait, what? Not to bash the US Team or anything, but don't you think it's kind of pathetic that you have to pick something other than clay in order to beat the USA?

It's got to be lack of effort. If MTF members say Davis Cup was never important for Federer (which is an obvious lie), then it's even more his and the entire Swiss team's fault, one for Roger even bothering to come just to.. well.. suck, and two for the Swiss team to place all their hopes on him. The Swiss team as a whole is honestly not that bad, or at least not that bad to get beaten by the USA on clay.... by means of a sweep, nonetheless.

So basically, it's just a matter of the team who wanted it more winning in the end. At least that's my opinion.
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On clay no less. Absolutely shocking. Fed & especially Wawa's rapid decline is alarming. How long before the Swiss have another top player ? This could be Fed's last year and Wawa is regressing. Not a good time to be a Swiss tennis fan
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All Wawrinka's fault this. Definitely. Fed should have played with a doubles specialist. Also he put Fed under pressure by losing yesterday. Stan you disgrace!!!!!!!!
both guys are responsible.

all of the 3 losses (even the doubles) should be considered upsets for the swiss. the biggest one being isner beating federer on clay.
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I don't know. It's more like the reaction towards Fed's dedication to Davis Cup than him being done and retiring.

It's obvious a good amount of people carry no respect nor value towards Davis Cup here in the MTF, but honestly, if you're going to go for Davis Cup, at least treat it like it means something. If you're here just for practice, then tank a lower-tier tournament or something. At least when you lose, your country's morale doesn't lower to a sad state of silence or hostility.

I can't think of any way to excuse the Swiss Team or Roger himself other than lack of effort. This is the clay court, for lord's sake. Since when does the US win anything on clay other than the Bryan Brothers these days? And I have to lol at people saying this should have been won on indoor hard. Wait, what? Not to bash the US Team or anything, but don't you think it's kind of pathetic that you have to pick something other than clay in order to beat the USA?

It's got to be lack of effort. If MTF members say Davis Cup was never important for Federer (which is an obvious lie), then it's even more his and the entire Swiss team's fault, one for Roger even bothering to come just to.. well.. suck, and two for the Swiss team to place all their hopes on him. The Swiss team as a whole is honestly not that bad, or at least not that bad to get beaten by the USA on clay.... by means of a sweep, nonetheless.

So basically, it's just a matter of the team who wanted it more winning in the end. At least that's my opinion.
I agree with this, i wish i couldve said it any better.
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Pathetic excuses about federer "did not care". Bullshit. He did care, that's why he decided to play. He could have had a week of rest. So he did care but his opponents were better.
Deal with it.
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