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Old 02-09-2012, 05:24 PM   #31
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Allez Sarkozy. Great sense for politics, for foreign policy as well.
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Culture is a part of the civilization. People, the whole society, the history is part of the civilization. We can't say that a civilization is better than an other one. Culture is a set of values ​​and beliefs of behaviors that define of a society in a specific moment.
Yes, you're using civilisation in the older sense of the word. I'm using it in the sense the Oxford Dictionary of English defines as follows:

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Armstrong says in-competition testing will never catch anyone, only out-of-competition testing and the blood passport can.

Tennis has no blood passport system, and does basically no out of competition testing.

The methods and drugs used by Armstrong in 1999 would work in tennis right now, with zero chance of being caught (not slightly surprising to anyone familiar with the topic, btw).
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It seems like a weak field because Sarkozy has been acting like a socialist. So now the socialists don't know how to oppose him. They probably agreed with most of the decisions he made.
Disagree. Sarkozy has always had is own approach to certain things and policies, but calling it a socialist way is not right in my opinion. We can very well call it a good tactical move though.
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Old 02-09-2012, 05:27 PM   #34
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culture is when i chop your head off and turn your skull into a beautiful vase. civilisation is when i go to jail for it.
And that's the third sense of the word.
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Armstrong says in-competition testing will never catch anyone, only out-of-competition testing and the blood passport can.

Tennis has no blood passport system, and does basically no out of competition testing.

The methods and drugs used by Armstrong in 1999 would work in tennis right now, with zero chance of being caught (not slightly surprising to anyone familiar with the topic, btw).
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Great sense for politics, for foreign policy as well.
I don't think it can be said about you, though.
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australian system isn't bad, have had independent's swinging votes for power and not only bargaining good deals for their own electorate but also making sure money spent meant every other person enjoyed the same privilege as the best electorate...
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Ever so classy.

Monsieur Gueant is not only right, he is obviously right.

Using the example we all have in mind, it is obviously right that the Western civilisation is better than the Muslim one. Not just different, better. Obviously. One need only take the Declaration of Human Rights and do a double-check on all basic rights and freedoms, comparing, since we're at it, France and Saudi Arabia: freedom of speech, freedom of thought and opinion, freedom of religion, freedom of press, democracy and political freedom, equality of all regardless of gender (that's half the human species right there) or sexual orientation. Sexual freedom, rights of minorities, freedom from cruel and unusual punishment, right to have an attorney and a fair trial, abortion rights, right to health care...
all subjective

you're so soaked up in your own bubble that you are unable to realize that people think differently. consider these points for starters:

1- as much as it might surprise you, not all people prefer the western way of life.

2- democracy, freedom of thought (whatever that means), speech and religion aren't truly that free in all countries. it just happens that some are more hipocritical than others. isn't it ilegal in tolerant france to wear burqhas? isn't bradley manning imprisoned with no prospect of release in the free USA just for divulging dirty gvt. information? didn't free spain condemned arnaldo otegi to 1 year of prison for criticizing the king?

3- what boogles my mind the most is the fact that rich western countries have consistently sacked up poor nations in order to build their own wealth. then hey have the audacity to presume it and what they think is their superior civilization in the faces of the ones they've coerced. it's ridiculous.

if anything, france should be apologizing for their colonial past and present instead of boasting about miscalled principles.
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[quote=abraxas21;11726662]all subjective

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you're so soaked up in your own bubble that you are unable to realize that people think differently. consider these points for starters:

1- as much as it might surprise you, not all people prefer the western way of life.

2- democracy, freedom of thought (whatever that means), speech and religion aren't truly that free in all countries. it just happens that some are more hipocritical than others. isn't it ilegal in tolerant france to wear burqhas? isn't bradley manning imprisoned with no prospect of release in the free USA just for divulging dirty gvt. information? didn't free spain condemned arnaldo otegi to 1 year of prison for criticizing the king?

3- what boogles my mind the most is the fact that rich western countries have consistently sacked up poor nations in order to build their own wealth. then hey have the audacity to presume it and what they think is their superior civilization in the faces of the ones they've coerced. it's ridiculous.

if anything, france should be apologizing for their colonial past and present instead of boasting about miscalled principles.
I should have stopped reading right there.

Yes, those rights are at times violated in Western countries. Does that mean they are not overall overwhelmingly more respected in them than in Saudi Arabia? Can you possibly be this blind??
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The methods and drugs used by Armstrong in 1999 would work in tennis right now, with zero chance of being caught (not slightly surprising to anyone familiar with the topic, btw).
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I should have stopped reading right there.

Yes, those rights are at times violated in Western countries. Does that mean they are not overall overwhelmingly more respected in them than in Saudi Arabia?
and when did i ever say that?

furthermore, not only you've wrongly interpreted one of my points, you completely ignored the other 2.


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and when did i ever say that?





No you never mentioned it by name. But your post implied that western civilisation (culture, whatever) is inferior to other civilizations. And then when someone mentions another civilization you scream, ''not that one, I never said that one, you misinterpreted my post, blah, blah, blah''.

So, man up, give examples.

Manning voluntarily joined the military. He then committed treason. And you will use that as an example to show how hypocritical the US is compared to Saudi Arabia that hunts down and probably kills, people who express their personal thoughts about religion? Or how hypocritical the US is compared to Iran that executes gays? Oh wait, you didn't actually say Saudi Arabia or Iran....... As a matter of fact you didn't give any examples at all.
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any mirrors in your house?
Are you seriously asking someone to look in a mirror to see how blind he is?
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indeed. the type of speech that only idiots, racists or hypocrites could love
This is the type of speech that only leftists believe constitutes a valid argument. To wit, when somebody says something you don't like, just call them names and and at all costs ignore what they actually said. Just like lawyers in court should never ask a question they don't already have the answer to, leftists should never actually address someone's actual statement.
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and when did i ever say that?

furthermore, not only you've wrongly interpreted one of my points, you completely ignored the other 2.
Ah the good old "oh but I didn't mean it that way, you're completely misinterpreting me..." mumbo jumbo. By all means be clear about what you actually meant, then.

I should think your other two points answer themselves, but oh well... You say not everyone prefers the Western way of life. Does that mean it isn't better? Who are you referring to anyway? The millions of people who leave everything behind in their home countries and travel for hundreds and thousands of miles in search for a better future in Western nations? The people back in those countries, who tend to gradually adopt Western technology, science and even political systems? Or, going back to my example, do you mean the people back in Saudi Arabia, the brilliantly educated, properly informed and not at all religiously indoctrinated citizens of Mecca, Jeddah, etc.?

You also mention the Western nations' colonial past, certainly reprehensible in many of his forms and methods. But again, you deviate from our original example. How is the West to blame for Saudi Arabia's disregard for freedom and human rights? Exactly when was that country colonised by France, or indeed any Western nation?

Go find other excuses.

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In a broader view , (I am rarely into daily political life anywhere in the world) if we look at the list of the 5th Republic presidents we can conclude 2 things:
Historically, the French favor someone from the right as President, some sort of a character, a statesman, a leader. Even if coming from the left such as Mitterand. Second thing, such leaders are no more it seems. Or I am the only one to see the interesting tendency with each successive French president:

Charles de Gaulle
Georges Pompidou
Giscard d'Estaing
François Mitterrand
Jacques Chirac
Nicolas Sarkozy

We stopped living in a world of heroes, honor and sacrifice a long time ago. We live in a world of celebrities and media induced paranoia. I am not saying it's bad, even if I might not like it, it's just the way it is. And there is a creeping fear of "them", strangers coming from other countries that cannot be trusted and must be contained somehow. Mix all that, and you know why Le Pen was relatively successful, it took moderate left and right to join forces when Chirac was elected. In the long run, like it or not, the historically important position of president in France will lose potency and relevance, whoever wins. And Sarkozy has had a major role in the process, imo. President from the left is more probable now than ever, not even digging scandals about the opponents will help.

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The difference between General de Gaulle and his successors is that he had a great sense for patriotism in the economic, the military and the political domain.

Of course, what he did in Algeria was ugly but he knew what the Independance of his country meant. Independance from the Nazis, from the Allied, from the EEC (ex EU), from bankers, from NATO, etc.

His speeches gathered hundreds of thousands of people (Phnom Penh Speech). He put Quebec on the map, in less than 24 hours.

Had he but not negotiated with the FLN and abandoned the Harkis, he could be in contention for greatest statesman of all time. I still have great admiration for him though.


How on earth can Sarkozy be compared to him? The guy who made up a Treaty that his own people rejected two years before ?? The guy who got back to military commannd while De Gaulle had so much trouble getting out of ?? The guy responsible for the death of 82 French soldiers in Afghanistan while Villepin was preparing their return. The guy who signed an agreement with the Brits for military nuke !

He should've long been removed !
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