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Old 02-05-2013, 02:21 PM   #136
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And Federer almost lost to Roddick the Wimbledon final, so?? The record is 23 semi finals in a row, not 23 semi finals wining every match easily. Nobody cares if Federer is way better, the thread is about the SF strak.
5 close sets in the final of gran slam vs a GS winner and multiple finalist servebot on fire isnt the same than 5 close sets vs an on fire wawrinka. Your comparison is invalid, there was plenty of other good comparisons but you failed. And this thread is kinda about federer and djokovic.
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Old 02-05-2013, 02:23 PM   #137
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I was thinking of a slight generalisation to this idea. A streak is one thing and it is a spectacular achievement but in some ways a player's longest streak is just the tip of the iceberg.

The idea is that the 2 important factors in a given span are: 1) number of semis, 2) rate at which those semis were achieved. Multiplying the 2 together gives us a number which reflect both (e.g. a player who reached 20 semis in twice as many tournaments as another player would achieve half the score of that player). One problem with this is that it's not neccessarily clear over which span to take the rate. I chose to use the span from the player's first semi to their last, at the expense of penalising players who achieved their last semi after several years in the wilderness. Ideally, you would calculate the figure over all possible spans and report the maximum value. A second problem is how to treat absences from tournaments. This is particularly problematic in the case of 1980s players who didn't attend the AO. I chose to factor absenses into the rate and, as a result, I didn't include players like McEnroe, Borg, Agassi, or Connors since their figures would be hard to compare to other players'. I did include Wilander because he only missed two AOs and Becker because he only missed one.

A selected list (not complete) of players I chose to look at. All have at least 10 GS semi-finals:

1. Federer - 33 @ 0.846 = 27.923
2. Lendl - 28 @ 0.651 = 18.233
3. Djokovic - 18 @ 0.750 = 13.500
4. Nadal - 19 @ 0.655 = 12.448
5. Sampras - 23 @ 0.469 = 10.796
6. Edberg - 19 @ 0.487 = 9.256
7. Murray - 12 @ 0.667 = 8.000
8. Becker - 18 @ 0.429 = 7.714
9. Courier - 11 @ 0.579 = 6.368
10. Wilander - 14 @ 0.452 = 6.323
11. Roddick - 10 @ 0.370 = 3.704

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Old 02-05-2013, 02:29 PM   #138
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5 close sets in the final of gran slam vs a GS winner and multiple finalist servebot on fire isnt the same than 5 close sets vs an on fire wawrinka. Your comparison is invalid, there was plenty of other good comparisons but you failed. And this thread is kinda about federer and djokovic.
Fed went to 5 sets with fucking Haas and you're right it's even worse for a servebot to take you to 5 sets
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Nole's and Olderer's SF records are nothing compared to Mugray completing career runner up slam this year
Wrong, my friend . Nol2 already completed the RU slam .
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Say what you want about Federer playing Baghdatis and Gonzo in AO finals... But at least he won them
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Default Re: Will Novak make a run for Feds 23 consecutive slam semi record? (11 and counting!

Pyramids will fall, but this Federer`s record will be never in real danger. Maybe once someone will overperform Roger`s quantaty of Majors, but not this one.
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Wrong, my friend . Nol2 already completed the RU slam .
What do you mean? He never lost AO final and Wimbledon final.
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Default Re: Will Novak make a run for Feds 23 consecutive slam semi record? (11 and counting!

To me personally, this 'record' is completely irrelevant. Even if Nole somehow reaches 23 semis, again irrelevant. When they are both done, historians, journalists will remember only their titles (majors, masters etc.) plus how many weeks they spent as #1.

Both players are very consistent and that's why they are champions.
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Wrong, my friend . Nol2 already completed the RU slam .
no he didnt

actually that would be Federer
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Old 02-05-2013, 04:41 PM   #144
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I think you know what I meant. When you set the record at 23 and the next guy is at 10, that's pretty impressive to say the least. However if the next guy gets to 20 let's say, it just doesn't have the same aura...and I think he will get fairly close.
This is sooo true. Remember in 2011 when Novak was on a winning streak? And there were many streaks being compared to his, like McEnroe in 1984. Pundits even tried to add McEnroe's wins from the Masters Cup 1983 to pad his streak, although tose matches didn't belong to the 1984 season. It was worth doing that because the numbers were so close.

But in those years, the Australian Open used to be played at the end of the season. So a winning streak to start the season didn't have to include a Grand Slam title. That was easier to do. If we consider winning streaks to start the season, when the Australian Open is played at the beginning of the season (the last 27 years) these are the numbers:

LONGEST WINNING STREAKS TO START A SEASON WHICH INCLUDES AO (From 1987)
1. Novak Djokovic 41 (2011)
2. Pete Sampras 17 (1997)
3. Roger Federer 16 (2006)
4. Andre Agassi 15 (1995)
4. Stefan Edberg 15 (1987)

Novak's streak looks a little better now, doesn't it?

At the moment, Roger's safe, his semifinal streak is truly impressive, Novak is nowhere near it. I don't think Nole will be able to match it... But let's see how many more slam semis Nole can add to his total.
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IMO the most impressive record of Federer is his consecutive 237 weeks as #1 no one will be able to break it, It is unreal for me.
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Roger's safe at any situation.
I don't see Djokovic winning 7 more Wimbledon titles or another 12 (at least) grand slams, or even 5 more WTF.
Or staying number one at more than 302 weeks... Sorry, but those are the records who matter, before taking the SF record, talk about the final record, it's even more impressive, 10 consecutive finals, then 8 more.

Nadal couldn't do that at his best moment. If you're thinking Djokovic is a better player than Nadal you're clearly fuckin it up.
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Fed went to 5 sets with fucking Haas and you're right it's even worse for a servebot to take you to 5 sets
Yeah, but he was never outplayed in that match. It was a great display of tennis by both players, winners all the way.
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Roger's safe at any situation.
I don't see Djokovic winning 7 more Wimbledon titles or another 12 (at least) grand slams, or even 5 more WTF.
Or staying number one at more than 302 weeks... Sorry, but those are the records who matter, before taking the SF record, talk about the final record, it's even more impressive, 10 consecutive finals, then 8 more.

Nadal couldn't do that at his best moment. If you're thinking Djokovic is a better player than Nadal you're clearly fuckin it up.
I've said it before, for me the most impressive slam achievement in terms of consistency is not the semis or quarter streaks but the 18 finals out of 19 slams.
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Yeah, but he was never outplayed in that match. It was a great display of tennis by both players, winners all the way.
Learn your shit right before talking.
of course he was outplayed for 2 sets.......the ones he lost
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Well, I hope he does. I like to count after all, the more the better, ah ah ah!
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