[hat__boy]

Originally Posted by duong

See ? The usual reaction I get ! No understanding whatsoever, I receive the same allergy I have for Nadal "now your opinion and discussion is completely worthless" : pure rejection !

... and even from people who have read my arguments and thoughts for long.

Is it impossible to admit that people can be able to have a rational argumentation AND in the meantime have feelings, which means emotions and irrational ?

My life is made of both of these as, I guess, the life of everyone here

One example of what emotions lead people to (in the thread about "who will win Monte-Carlo final ?") :



Here was my prediction : I think I was not that far from what happened

Honestly, 6-2 6-3 was hardly a far fetched prediction. If the Djokovic from the final set against Berdych showed up, it may well have been reality. As it was, he barely showed up at all.

As you admit, this is quite irrational, baffling in fact. Of course people can put emotions aside and have a rational argument, that is the only way to have a worthwhile argument.

Originally Posted by Action Jackson

Excuses.





See what you want to see. Yes, I play Tursunov on clay and he is favourite, no. Classic example of fake humility, then the always injured when he loses. Just cause you can't see why there people that don't like Nadal or have their reasons for doing so. It's not different from Djokovic or Federer, except for the reasons.

Didn't know humble athletes take fake timeouts, stretch the gamesmanship big time, 2 year ranking. It's fine to do that, it's pro sport and within the rules but that's not humility.

No idea how any of what I write is an excuse. I excuse no one's behaviour.

Notice how I didn't refute your other points, only that one. The others are all perfectly reasonable. This is one requires a leap in logic and a specific interpretation of events.

When did Rafa say Tursunov was the favourite? I must have missed that.

[duong]

Originally Posted by hat__boy

Of course people can put emotions aside and have a rational argument, that is the only way to have a worthwhile argument.

yes it's possible that's how people do, there are some die-hard fans in this forum who often have very interesting analyses, sometimes they even know better about their guy than others, that's why I'm often interested in reading them.

Originally Posted by hat__boy

When did Rafa say Tursunov was the favourite? I must have missed that.

I don't remember him saying that about Tursunov but sometimes he said things which were clearly shocking like one day he was afraid of playing Rochus, that one I'm sure he said it once.

It's possible to "fake humility", however I've come to the conclusion like you that's not Nadal's case.

Although I like to mention that this behavior is not "natural" and comes from his uncle's constant education, which Nadal has said himself in his biography ... but people answer me that anyway we are always a product of our education : yes in a way ... but his uncle's education looks more like a "taming" to me, not like something which helped him to develop himself really, which is why I make the distinction.

[hat__boy]

Originally Posted by Orka_n

Why can't you understand that there might be a REASON the majority holds that opinion? I was not lying in my previous post, it is exactly as I said: In my experience, Nadals MTF fans make people dislike Rafa more.
Indeed, but the annoying Rafa fans are so MANY, that is the difference. I can give you 15+ names if you want.
Many of the worst Fedtards like Glenn and Magician are permabanned, so I don't understand why you bring them up. Samanosuke is a rare case because he can actually burn someone using sometimes strange english and many appreciate that and do find him funny. He's currently banned as well though just so you know.

I myself am aware I'm not a model poster in any way but I am certainly not as conceited as many of the trolls on here.

You are right, they are banned. But you can't disagree that they behaved no worse than Start da Game, yet were nowhere near as marginalised as him. He is banned too, I believe. I'm sure I could give you 15 more names too.

The majority are Federer fans, understandably they get riled up by over the top Nadal fans. Thus the majority opinion becomes that Nadal has a terrible fanbase. I haven't seen any different behaviour from Djokovic's fans in the last twelve months than I saw from Nadal fans in 2010. The difference is, Federer fans are happy to see Djokovic beating Nadal.

I hate to discuss this, talking about fans and tards seems so pathetic. I'm just tired of the discrediting of an entire fanbase when they behave no differently than the rest and I frequently read you singling them out.

[Orka_n]

Originally Posted by hat__boy

You are right, they are banned. But you can't disagree that they behaved no worse than Start da Game, yet were nowhere near as marginalised as him. He is banned too, I believe. I'm sure I could give you 15 more names too.

Their behavior was indeed on SdG level but then again they are permabanned and somehow SdG is not.
And I'd really like to hear those 15 names you got.

The majority are Federer fans, understandably they get riled up by over the top Nadal fans. Thus the majority opinion becomes that Nadal has a terrible fanbase.

So, you think that only because of a few over-the-top Nadaltards, the majority of this tennisforum (including non-fedfans) consider the Nadaltards to be the worst fanbase overall? That is nonsense.

I haven't seen any different behaviour from Djokovic's fans in the last twelve months than I saw from Nadal fans in 2010. The difference is, Federer fans are happy to see Djokovic beating Nadal.

I hate to discuss this, talking about fans and tards seems so pathetic. I'm just tired of the discrediting of an entire fanbase when they behave no differently than the rest and I frequently read you singling them out.

I don't expect you to be able to view your own fanbase objectively.

By the way, I'm not saying all Nadalfans are idiots. However I do think that this is the fandom to overall have the most clowns, at least here on MTF. And most agree with me.

[Tepasaf]

I hate:
Djokovic
Tomic
Stepanek
Del Potro
Nadal
Almagro
Federer
Murray
Troicki
Tipsarevic
Serbians
Tsonga
Fish

[Action Jackson]

Originally Posted by Tepasaf

I hate:
Djokovic
Tomic
Stepanek
Del Potro
Nadal
Almagro
Federer
Murray
Troicki
Tipsarevic
Serbians
Tsonga
Fish

Yes and is this in order. I have to count this stuff.

[Topspindoctor]

This thread looks like a place for Nadal haters to have a huge circle jerk.

[Looner]

Originally Posted by Topspindoctor

This thread looks like a place for Nadal haters to have a huge circle jerk.

I am a hater, deal with it.

[superslam77]

Originally Posted by Looner

he owned himself

[Gagsquet]

1 Nadal
2 Djokovic
3 Troicki
4 Murray
5 Fish
6 Tomic
7 Almagro
8 Gasquet

[stanch]

Originally Posted by Tepasaf

I hate:
Djokovic
Tomic
Stepanek
Del Potro
Nadal
Almagro
Federer
Murray
Troicki
Tipsarevic
Serbians
Tsonga
Fish

You should've just said TOP 10... Plus other Serbians.

[Featherer]

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Remarkable Careers

............2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 now(#188) 
Nadal.........3....1....4....3....1....1...1 
Tomic......................................2!! 
Murray.......13....6....3....1....2....4...3 
Roddick.......6....2....2....4....4....2...4 
Almagro.....................20....8....9...5! 
Federer......14....5....6....5....6....7...6 
Djokovic..........15....1....2....3....3...7 
Fish...................14...13.............8! 
Verdasco.........................12....6...9 
Berdych...........14...13...19...12...10..10 
Tipsarevic.......................19.......11! 
Troicki...................................13! 
Robredo...........11...11....8...11....5..15 
Hewitt........1....3....5...11....8....8 
Soderling..............10...12....7...11 
Monfils.....................17....5...14 
Tsonga......................14...10...15 
Stepanek.....10....9...12....6...14...17 
Davydenko.........10....7...18...20...18 
DelPotro.....................9...17 
Karlovic...............16....7...18 
Blake.............12....8...10 
Ljubicic......8....4....9 
Kiefer........4...17...15 
Coria.........2....7 
Nalbandian...19....8 
Rios..........5...13 
Puerta....................................11 
Connors.......7...18....-.....-...-...13 
Sampras.......8...22....-.....-...-...12 
Agassi.......12...19....-.....-...-...25  
McEnroe......11...27....-.....-...-...33 
Wilander..................................14

...boring monday afternoon

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[Jayz77]

1.Wally Masur ' worlds worse commentator and couldnt play
2.Fabio Fognini ' spoilt brat,rich playboy and arrogant
3.Robin Soderling ' just arrogant and rude
4.Nicholas Almagro ' Just dont like him
5.Radek Stepanek ' show off, thinks he's Mr wonderful
6.David Nalbandian ' sore loser and arrogant
7.Filippo Volandri ' worlds worse server and shocking haircut
8.Pat Cash ' hard man to like, didnt like is game
9.Nikolay Davydenko ' shady character, {but i like his wife Irena}
10.Peter Korda ' dont like show offs, just hate the guy

[duarte_a]

1. Nadal
2. Connors
3. Berdych
4. Tomic
5. Simon
6. Stepanek
7. Djokovic
8. Soderling
9. Gulbis
10. Hewitt

[Federer&Hingis]

1. Nadal
2. Djokovic
3. Connors
4. Wilander
5. Rusedski
6. Nalbandian
7. Kuerten
8. Tomic
9. Hewitt
10. Murray