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View Poll Results: Was Courier a greater claycourter than Fed/Nole?

Courier 2 RGs>FedNole 1 RG/case closed. 11 17.46%
FedNole>Courier, the Nadal factor has limited their success 18 28.57%
Federer>Courier>Nole, Nole has to win an RG to be in that cathegory 23 36.51%
Nole>Courier>Federer, Nole can still win 2 RGs, Fed cant. 11 17.46%
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Old 02-03-2012, 03:43 AM   #46
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Default Re: Does anyone believe Jim Courier was a greater claycourter than Federer/Djokovic?

For now, Federer>Courier>Novak. Federer is a much better clay courter than Courier, he has actually had great success on clay in spite of Nadal being around. He has been the 2nd best clay courter in the last 6-7 years in the world. Nadal alone stopped him from being a clay court giant. As for Novak, I am sure he will win RG soon, he has the game. But I dont think we can say Novak was stopped by Rafa basically. At RG in particular, I believe he lost thrice in a row to Nadal from 06-08. Had he won them all too, I just dont believe he would have navigated past a "desperate for the FO" Federer.

This order may, and I expect WILL change soon however
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Old 02-03-2012, 04:40 AM   #47
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Default Re: Does anyone believe Jim Courier was a greater claycourter than Federer/Djokovic?

Honestly who gives so much F**K to just being a Clay Courter. Jim Courier without having a Clay Back ground won the two Roland Garos dominating the tournament for a good 3 years. Its more than good enough for the History records. He is one of the RG legends.Take That.
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Old 02-03-2012, 09:38 AM   #48
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Default Re: Does anyone believe Jim Courier was a greater claycourter than Federer/Djokovic?

For some reason he's a forgotten player in my mind. I know at one time he was #1 in the World, but I can't even remember seeing Courier play
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Old 02-11-2012, 03:28 PM   #49
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Jim Courier not even playing and still defeating Federer on clay.
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Old 02-11-2012, 03:46 PM   #50
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Default Re: Does anyone believe Jim Courier was a greater claycourter than Federer/Djokovic?

Courier got 2 RG, but his record on clay was nothing special, those 2 RG are i would say, because he was so good that time, ha also has 2 AO, simply he prefers to play on slower surfaces, clay back than played more like clay, not like nowadays, but still with Courier style, clay courts suited him, but besides RG he didn´t care to play much clay matches, hard to tell how good of a clay-courter he was because of this things, but Roger is for sure best of this, so many RG finals, being defeated only by best clay-courter plus Soderling unplayable that QF, so really Roger´s clay record is much more impressive, Nole on other hand needs to win RG to proove himself, but he is very good on clay, his record, number of clay Masters 1000 finals-titles is really good, much better than guys like Ferrer for example, but at this moment i would pick Jim´s 2 RG over Nole´s clay achievemets, but in moment Nole will hold RG trophy in my mind he is greater clay-courter
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Jim speaks the best english amongst them so yes.
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Jim Courier not even playing and still defeating Federer on clay.
I think some of the players actually improve on clay since he took over I noticed that Ryan, for one, has greatly improved his movement since he started practicing with the Davis cup team last year.

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I don't know but he is a great clay court expert for sure. He taught Isner how to play on clay.
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Default Re: Does anyone believe Jim Courier was a greater claycourter than Federer/Djokovic?

courier and agassi would win calender grand slams if they played on these joke surfaces that all play the same

its a disgrace to see how low tennis has sunk just to get viewing figures

its used to be

AO- medium pace high bounce
RG- slow high bounce
WIM- fast no bounce
US OPEN- fast high bounce

now its

AO- medium high bounce
RG- medium high bounce
WIM- medium high bounce
US OPEN- medium high bounce

and people wonder why suddenly everyone has a career slam in their pockets
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I do...
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Old 02-12-2012, 12:09 AM   #56
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AJ also says all greats would find a way in any era, I dont fully agree with that statement (Rosewall and Mcenroe would not find a way in the modern era, even Sampras doubtfully would achieve much, that is what I think atleast). However, I see absolutely no reason to question Borg's ability to learn a great forehand with 90s raquets or modern raquets, ofcourse it would be great and he would love to play in the modern grinding era of the 2000s, even if Djokovic and Nadal probably would give him a hell of a fight.

Anyway, Borg would beat Courier in any era on clay, that much I can say without any doubt.
Players can only be judged by their achievements in the era they played in. It is all that simple. True some eras are stronger than others, but one can only play those who are available at that time. Rosewall played in very tough eras as an amateur, pro and the open era. He was a top 20 player for at least 20 years. At 5-7, he acknkowledges that he would have a very tough time in todays game. Still, he as an all-time great for what he achieved in eras he competed. Sampras at 6-2, would have been very successful in today's game using today's equipment. The same is true of Agassi, Courier, Edberg, Becker, Connors, Borg, Lendl, Wilander and a few others.
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Default Re: Does anyone believe Jim Courier was a greater claycourter than Federer/Djokovic?

No. Next!
Fed and Djoko have had to deal with the greatest clay courter ever bar Borg in the past 5, 6 years of time, and Nadal catching up with Borg might well just be a matter of time.
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Jim Courier not even playing and still defeating Federer on clay.
LOL! Still, overall, I would rate Roger above Jim on clay.
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LOL! Still, overall, I would rate Roger above Jim on clay.
But below Sampras Rome 94.
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Default Re: Does anyone believe Jim Courier was a greater claycourter than Federer/Djokovic?

DC just proved it. Courier's mere presence on clay = Federer insta-lose.
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