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Old 05-11-2012, 09:19 PM   #91
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Default Re: Federer: "These days players have same speed everywhere"

2004-05 was certainly not homogenized. Grass was slower than 01, but much faster than today. The effects started to show from about 2008 onwards increasing year on year (the 2011 US Open was slowed down for example)
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Why? Are we suggesting the courts were way faster in 2003? 2004? 2005? Unless I'm incorrect Nadal was winning in 04, 05 etc. The different grass at Wimbledon has been there since 2001 - this is not a new thing. IW and Miami were always slow etc...

Yes there is less variety - and i think that's bad - but for Federer to make it sound like the "players of today" have it easy and are cruising along whilst he toiled in an era of variety is just plain wrong. Most of his success has come on surfaces similar to the ones today.
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Default Re: Federer: "These days players have same speed everywhere"

Federer certainly has been playing tennis at the big events a lot longer then Nadal or Djokovic and it`s normal that their point of view is a bit different.It`s clear that the surface is slippery and not everything is ideal but the way u handle the current situation is important not only on court but also in the media
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Variatyrer speaks finally He must be sick from guys like Nole and Humbelito-complaining and complaining Roger survived Milos´s 230 kmh bombs and is going for trophy and No.2 He is clearly winner in Madrid - all this blue stuff and so on Roger must be happy how things go so far
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I am liking Fed more and more
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2004-05 was certainly not homogenized. Grass was slower than 01, but much faster than today. The effects started to show from about 2008 onwards increasing year on year (the 2011 US Open was slowed down for example)
What a surprise - 2008 onwards eh? Just when Fed started declining.

2011 US Open was slow definitely but that's not to say EVERY tournament is slower now than in 2004/2005 etc. And as I've said again find me ONE quote where the players complain about the speed? No one has. The court isn't even that much faster - the problem is it's so badly laid that you have to just grip and rip and can't construct a claycourt point on it. Not being able to move and slide means you have to play quick points.

If people want bad courts and strange conditions for variety than so be it. But the issue here is simply safety and poor quality - watching the top players in the world struggling to move is not my idea of an interesting match. What a waste of a tournament.
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Default Re: Federer: "These days players have same speed everywhere"

Another thread about this shit really

I cant wait till Rome this shit is ridiculous, first a thread about Rafa, then Nole now Fed, what do you people do in your lives, bitch and complain about what these guys say.
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Default Re: Federer: "These days players have same speed everywhere"

And what question was Federer asked to give that answer? And what else did he say on the topic?
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nole and rafa need to get real. they play tennis and they have to adaft to all surfaces. Roger played in an era where he had to adjust to slow, fast and all kinds of surfaces...It's part of the job. They sound like whiney first graders. That's why they will never be the ambassador for the game like Roger is.

What roger said is fact. Man up, fella's or get the hell out of the ATP since it's doing you guys so wrong. Im sure lesser rank players would love to have your rankings and money.

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What a surprise - 2008 onwards eh? Just when Fed started declining.
and nadal starts to win hardcourt-slams...
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What a surprise - 2008 onwards eh? Just when Fed started declining.

2011 US Open was slow definitely but that's not to say EVERY tournament is slower now than in 2004/2005 etc. And as I've said again find me ONE quote where the players complain about the speed? No one has. The court isn't even that much faster - the problem is it's so badly laid that you have to just grip and rip and can't construct a claycourt point on it. Not being able to move and slide means you have to play quick points.

If people want bad courts and strange conditions for variety than so be it. But the issue here is simply safety and poor quality - watching the top players in the world struggling to move is not my idea of an interesting match. What a waste of a tournament.
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Sorry Ash, but you're revealing yourself as more of a genuine tard - or should I rather say 'non-objective poster' - by the minute.
If you quote a player, how about quoting the entire interview, so people may be allowed to read the quote in its entire context?

For your information, Federer has never denied that he himself benefitted from the surface homogenization. And yes he did.
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What a surprise - 2008 onwards eh? Just when Fed started declining.

2011 US Open was slow definitely but that's not to say EVERY tournament is slower now than in 2004/2005 etc. And as I've said again find me ONE quote where the players complain about the speed? No one has. The court isn't even that much faster - the problem is it's so badly laid that you have to just grip and rip and can't construct a claycourt point on it. Not being able to move and slide means you have to play quick points.

If people want bad courts and strange conditions for variety than so be it. But the issue here is simply safety and poor quality - watching the top players in the world struggling to move is not my idea of an interesting match. What a waste of a tournament.
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What a surprise - 2008 onwards eh? Just when Fed started declining.

2011 US Open was slow definitely but that's not to say EVERY tournament is slower now than in 2004/2005 etc. And as I've said again find me ONE quote where the players complain about the speed? No one has. The court isn't even that much faster - the problem is it's so badly laid that you have to just grip and rip and can't construct a claycourt point on it. Not being able to move and slide means you have to play quick points.

If people want bad courts and strange conditions for variety than so be it. But the issue here is simply safety and poor quality - watching the top players in the world struggling to move is not my idea of an interesting match. What a waste of a tournament.
There are enough claycourt points constructed on hard and grass these days. At least one tournament is free of this.
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