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Old 04-21-2012, 06:09 AM   #76
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Default Re: Roger admitted that surface homogenization helped him and Rafa

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100% agree

i'm starting to put pete back up on my goat list

maybe on a medium slow court beat wouldnt beat federer

but

if we had all fast courts and indoor carpets- pete would bagel federer and nadal

without diversity no one can be considered goat from this era

laver played (and beat everyone) on carpet, wood super fast- super slow courts
don't be ludicrous. it's one thing to say that Pete could beat Federer or Nadal on fast courts but he wouldn't come close to bageling even Nadal. He might not even be able to beat Federer on ANY surface or speed. You underrate Roger extremely. Sampras did not have anywhere near the variety of Federer, was weaker off the baseline with his groundstrokes, did not have a penetrating slice, moved much worse.... Pete had a better serve than Federer but what beyond that?

you are exxagerating extremely and it makes it hard to respect what you say in general.

Federer is better than Sampras in almsot every facet. HOWEVER, definitely Sampras could demolish possibly Nadal on carpet or fast grass.
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Old 04-21-2012, 06:18 AM   #77
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Default Re: Roger admitted that surface homogenization helped him and Rafa

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Which surface changed more dramatically in the past decade
  1. the clay of rg
  2. the hard courts
  3. the grass of wimbledon
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Old 04-21-2012, 07:28 AM   #78
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Default Re: Roger admitted that surface homogenization helped him and Rafa

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100% agree

i'm starting to put pete back up on my goat list

maybe on a medium slow court beat wouldnt beat federer

but

if we had all fast courts and indoor carpets- pete would bagel federer and nadal

without diversity no one can be considered goat from this era

laver played (and beat everyone) on carpet, wood super fast- super slow courts
Ifs don't work in this sport, you work with what you have. I could say "Sampras would be a clown on today's surfaces", but it doesn't mean anything because he was lucky to play in an era of fast surfaces where all servers like Ivanisievic managed to win a slam.
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Default Re: Roger admitted that surface homogenization helped him and Rafa

I'm surprised you haven't bowed down to that hackery yet TSD.

Anyway, Fed hasn't advantaged as much as you think from surface homogenisation. No doubt in the 90's though Nadal would be restricted to clay, and Djoker's career would be kinda similar to Lendl's and Wilander's (not so good on grass, but a gun everywhere else).
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Default Re: Roger admitted that surface homogenization helped him and Rafa

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Question

Which surface changed more dramatically in the past decade
  1. the clay of rg
  2. the hard courts
  3. the grass of wimbledon
Probably Wimbledon most dramatically.
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Default Re: Roger admitted that surface homogenization helped him and Rafa

Wimbledon, clay isn't too bad comparatively, the USO was decent until very recently.
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Default Re: Roger admitted that surface homogenization helped him and Rafa

doesn't matter which but how many...3 fast surfaces changed to slow and clay even if faster still high bouncing. it's a crime.
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Default Federer: "These days players have same speed everywhere"

What a surprise. President of the player's council sticking the knife in.

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Federer: "when i came on tour in 98 i had to adapt to diff speeds every wk. These days players have same speed everywhere"
https://twitter.com/#!/FootFault_/st...54305476812800

Maybe someone should remind the Fed that he's won all his slams in the era of "surface homogenization" too. He's benefited just as much so to pretend otherwise is utterly stupid. He wasn't winning slams in 98.

And the fact is every player has complained NOT about the speed but the slipperiness. Nadal himself said that if this tournament was at the end of the year and safe he'd have no problem - it's the fact that it's 2 weeks before RG and is in completely different conditions that is the issue - he said it was like having Cincy on grass. Not one player has complained about the speed. In fast indoor courts, or even fast outdoor, they can still move without fear of hurting themselves and that's the key.

Fed's just being all "we'll need to look at it again for next year" etc. Stand up for your fellow players for once man.
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Maybe someone should remind the Fed that he's won all his slams in the era of "surface homogenization" too. He's benefited just as much so to pretend otherwise is utterly stupid. He wasn't winning slams in 98.
After reading that, this thread is bullcrap for me.
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Maybe someone should remind the Fed that he's won all his slams in the era of "surface homogenization" too. He's benefited just as much so to pretend otherwise is utterly stupid. He wasn't winning slams in 98
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Default Re: Federer: "These days players have same speed everywhere"

people think that Tiriac is main power in Madrid . If Fed said this surface was bad they wouldn't be played on blue clay, Nole and Rafa can be ranked at #1 and #2 but everybody knows who's The Boss . Goat on the court, Goat off the court
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After reading that, this thread is bullcrap for me.
Why? Are we suggesting the courts were way faster in 2003? 2004? 2005? Unless I'm incorrect Nadal was winning in 04, 05 etc. The different grass at Wimbledon has been there since 2001 - this is not a new thing. IW and Miami were always slow etc...

Yes there is less variety - and i think that's bad - but for Federer to make it sound like the "players of today" have it easy and are cruising along whilst he toiled in an era of variety is just plain wrong. Most of his success has come on surfaces similar to the ones today.
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Default Re: Federer: "These days players have same speed everywhere"

Shhh Ash. It's the speed they are moning about, not that the court is poorly laid and could cause injuries. That way MTF can slander Nadal and Djokovic.

And yes. Homogenisation has obviously helped Fed too, by design. He was and is the #1 cash cow, a golden goose, a gloryhunting magnet. To have him at the business end of events as much as possible is within the interest of the ATP.
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Default Re: Federer: "These days players have same speed everywhere"

He's just stating a fact isn't he?

The next sentence could be "I personally feel I have benefited from this".
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Why? Are we suggesting the courts were way faster in 2003? 2004? 2005? Unless I'm incorrect Nadal was winning in 04, 05 etc. The different grass at Wimbledon has been there since 2001 - this is not a new thing. IW and Miami were always slow etc...

Yes there is less variety - and i think that's bad - but for Federer to make it sound like the "players of today" have it easy and are cruising along whilst he toiled in an era of variety is just plain wrong. Most of his success has come on surfaces similar to the ones today.
You are incorrect.

Point Federer is making is that one tournament on a different surface isn't that big a deal and these bitches need to man up.
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