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Old 01-31-2012, 04:52 PM   #61
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Does this mean that Fedtards will start counting all of Nadal's victories over Roger instead of excluding and/or dismissing the clay ones?


and they know it helped more djokovic than it helped their god. what a pathetic bunch of losers
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Old 01-31-2012, 08:51 PM   #62
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Strange, my thread disappeared, but now I find the content in this one. The subject is somewhat related, but not exactly the same, and the title definitely doesn't convey the same meaning as my original saying that this was a deliberate move by the ATP/tournament officials.

Is it normal to have content merged like this?

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hey i liked your long post and agree with all of it...sad really...

but explained...how come Tennis has been in it's lowest popularity speaking...in the U.S...

Do they homogenized the surface thinking the common fan , the one who doesn't really follow tennis, will be more attracted by the king of game we saw at THE AO 2012..

cause my mom watch the match and doesn't know a thing about tennis...and she complain about how the two guys stayed at the baseline all the time...asking if it was normal..
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Old 01-31-2012, 09:46 PM   #63
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He's right. It has definitely helped Djokovic and Nadal more than him though. At least he won his earlier grandslams before the homogenization became ridiculous.
Against 2nd tier players. Still, Roger is an all-time great player. Laver is right about that. Laver was the best, overall, of his era but Rosewall was better on clay. I do think Sampras would successfully have adjusted his game if he were playing today. Again, there is NO GOAT, just all-time greats. Both Roger and Rafa are all-time greats. Nole is getting close.
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Old 01-31-2012, 11:48 PM   #64
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Listening to federer speak it seems as though he has made some peace with himself - he has 16 grand slams, and he is happy and content with it. He loves tennis and he will keep trying to win more, but if he can't, he won't get all depressed about it. And instead just be happy for Rafa. That's a great place to be. No regrets. Just enjoy it.
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Old 01-31-2012, 11:54 PM   #65
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No, it only help Rafa, not Rogi, no...
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Old 02-01-2012, 02:06 AM   #66
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Against 2nd tier players. Still, Roger is an all-time great player. Laver is right about that. Laver was the best, overall, of his era but Rosewall was better on clay. I do think Sampras would successfully have adjusted his game if he were playing today. Again, there is NO GOAT, just all-time greats. Both Roger and Rafa are all-time greats. Nole is getting close.
2nd tier players by what standard? As opposed to the all time greats Tsonga and Berdych that Djokovic and Nadal had to beat in some of their slam wins? Fact is, if the courts aren't so slow, Federer would have more of a chance in today's slams. Indoor courts are faster and he is almost unbeatable there.

Watching the finals between Nadal-Djokovic is crazy, it shouldn't have to be that physically impossible and straining to win a slam.
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Old 02-01-2012, 02:25 AM   #67
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2nd tier players by what standard? As opposed to the all time greats Tsonga and Berdych that Djokovic and Nadal had to beat in some of their slam wins? Fact is, if the courts aren't so slow, Federer would have more of a chance in today's slams. Indoor courts are faster and he is almost unbeatable there.

Watching the finals between Nadal-Djokovic is crazy, it shouldn't have to be that physically impossible and straining to win a slam.
he wants to say that this slow surfaces helps nadal but for don`t has problems , he talk about himself too.

in really fast courts , federer shold be more dominant against djoko and rafa.
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he wants to say that this slow surfaces helps nadal but for don`t has problems , he talk about himself too.

in really fast courts , federer shold be more dominant against djoko and rafa.
+1. So much true.
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Old 02-01-2012, 03:45 AM   #69
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Default Re: Roger admitted that surface homogenization helped him and Rafa

Yeah but it helped more Rafa. Fed would have won 16 or similar without the surface slowing. He proved to be great on all surfaces. Nadal in the other hand proved to be great on clay but not so good on fast conditions. 0 wtfs is a proof of it.
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Old 04-20-2012, 04:10 PM   #70
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NID

Didn't help Roddick much.
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Old 04-20-2012, 04:46 PM   #71
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Federer would be an all-time great - no matter what the surface, era or technology. If 3/4 of the slams were on grass, he'd excel. If it were the 90's, he'd excel. Even with the slowing and homogenization of the courts in the 00s, he's still dominant. The FO would be a given vs Nadal/Borg, maybe even with Guga, and good/fair chance against anyone else.

Rafa would be a great on clay only in the 3/4 grass slams era, great only on clay in the 90's and with the homogenization of the surfaces able to sneak out a US Open and win 2 Wimbledons. It irks me to hear him winning the FO/W combination compared to Borg winning 3 such combos when the clay was really slow and the grass was lightning quick, slick and low-bouncing - completely different accomplishments given the difference in surfaces.

The powers that be in tennis want to generate the publicity of a calendar grand slam winner - thus the homogenization of the surfaces, the same familiar faces in all the GS finals and contrived rivalries. Nole will probably be the one to break through seeing as he owns Rafa mentally - even on clay. Now what does that say about Rafa's clay court status. Borg retired "undefeated" (except for his "young" losses to Panatta) on clay. Even if he had a mental block against McEnroe on other surfaces, he was still untouchable on clay. And what does Nole's ownage of Rafa say to McEnroe (who kisses Rafa's ass because he's a matchup problem for Federer) but has problems with an over 30 year old Federer?

Off topic: had a chance to watch the 100 greatest tennis players on tv. Sickening that they have Rafa at #6 ahead of #7 Borg. Last I checked, 11 > 10 and see above explanation about their FOs/Ws and supremacy on clay. Pity that this show was filmed in '10 before Nole's complete ownage of Rafa in '11 - ranking might be a bit different then.
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The surfaces are so crap today. ATP slow shitty joke fest that has resulted in a boring baseline game. If I wanted that previously I'd head over to Paris, today it is everywhere. The death of big serve bots I can live with but quality volley? Ha! No. Borg is far superior to Rafa btw, to have Rafa above him is a joke, unlike Federer McEnroe and Connors were not mental midgets. They were fighters of the highest order.
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+1. So much true.
Agree and murray wouldn't be in the top 5
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Novak Djokovic beating Rafael Nadal in a WIMBLEDON final was the final nail for me.
Why? Both are slow-court players.

Djokovic 2007-2008 was better in faster surfaces and would have been much better than Nadal in really fast surfaces probably but he changed his game to adapt. That's impossible to know, but I don't find Djokovic beating Nadal in grass that surprasing (I certainly didn't expect him to beat Nadal that easily in clay last year).

In 2008 (in Queens) Nadal was at his peak and Nole wasn't in his 2.0 version and it wasn't an easy match for him.
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Yeah, it both benefited them cause adjustments are easy. Before it's hard to see a player win on clay then do well on grass the weeks after and ussually clay courters do not play wimble due to the extreme surface change. For me it should be different as it would provide more variety to a player. I think the goat is Steffi Graf as she achieved a Grand Slam (in a year) where there were a huge difference in court speeds. I think that Aussie Open should be slow hard, French Clay, Wimbledon Grass and US Open Fast Hard, not Aussia Open, Wimbledon, US Open on faster clay and FRench SLow Clay cause the courts are like that now.
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