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Old 01-07-2012, 03:06 PM   #1
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In May this year, two children – a four-month-old infant and a two-and-a-half-year toddler – were taken away by childcare authorities from an NRI couple in Norway.

The reason: authorities in the country believe the couple is unfit to raise kids and one of the proofs offered is that the couple sleeps on the same bed as their little kids.

“They told me ‘why are you sleeping with the children in the same bed?’. This is also a purely cultural issue. We never leave the children in another room and say goodnight to them,” Anurup Bhattacharya, the aggrieved father, told Indian television channel NDTV.

The kids were picked up by childcare services on May 11 simultaneously from kindergarten and home. The Indian parents were given ‘bizarre explanations’ for this horrific act and were declared unfit parents by the Norwegian Child Protection Services (CPS).

The Indian mission in Oslo has requested officials to take a sympathetic view of the case on the grounds of cultural differences, but Norwegian officials seem to have, so far, turned a deaf ear to such requests.

The parents have been told that they will be allowed to meet their children only twice a year for an hour till the children turn 18. The kids are currently staying with two separate foster families.

The frantic father told IBNLive, another Indian television channel: “They said the mother was incapable of taking care of the children - that our daughter looked at the faces of other people around her instead of her mother’s, was evidence that we were not taking proper care of her, and that our son remained aloof in the kindergarten and banged his head on the floor.”

When the couple went to file a report at a local police station in May 2011, the mother was frantic and started shouting and the officials took that as a confirmation that the mother was incapable of handling the children.

The Norwegian officials have even suggested that if the couple agrees on a separation, the officials might do a rethink and send the kids back to the father.

Indian officials have tried to intervene and, citing cultural differences, they’ve have even offered that the couple would leave Norway for good once the children are handed back to the parents. However, Norwegian officials have so far ignored all explanations from Indian diplomats.
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Old 01-07-2012, 03:34 PM   #2
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Any statements from the Norwegian authorities? I'd like to hear what they have to say. Something tells me their all sleeping in the same bed is not the only reason for their actions.
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This is a very strange incident indeed! Sleeping in one bed should not be the only reason; the article hints at some incidents at school, but makes the bed issue a central one..
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Any statements from the Norwegian authorities? I'd like to hear what they have to say. Something tells me their all sleeping in the same bed is not the only reason for their actions.
Why look for statements from Norwegian authorities? They are just puppets of the imperialist Westerners. Stick with the real hard facts from the Emirates.
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This is a very strange incident indeed! Sleeping in one bed should not be the only reason; the article hints at some incidents at school, but makes the bed issue a central one..
I don't even see why anyone is calling it a cultural issue. Kids sleeping in the parents' bed is not uncommon anywhere. Millions of people do it. I've seen these "Supernanny" reality TV shows in North America where a 3- or 4-year old sleeps with the parents because they refuse to sleep in their own room (get up all the time, cry, say they are scared), so the tired parents just give up and let the kid sleep with them. The nanny gets them to stop it (because the kid is manipulating them and being clingy/not learning independence), but no one calls the authorities on them. And with infants it's even more common: people don't want to get up and go to another room every two hours when the baby wakes up; easier to just have it there.

There's nothing uniquely "Indian" about it.
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I despise the tendency of media outlets to pick up these kinds of stories, carelessly sum them up in a way that's sufficiently sensationalist (but that ignores many important facts), and then expect us to unify in our outrage at the picture of injustice they've painted.

Nothing is black and white, and i'm sure there's other reasons for the decision that was made. Even if the decision was wrong, a civilised society like Norway will surely have proper recourse for the parents should they wish to appeal it.
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I don't even see why anyone is calling it a cultural issue. Kids sleeping in the parents' bed is not uncommon anywhere. Millions of people do it. I've seen these "Supernanny" reality TV shows in North America where a 3- or 4-year old sleeps with the parents because they refuse to sleep in their own room (get up all the time, cry, say they are scared), so the tired parents just give up and let the kid sleep with them. The nanny gets them to stop it (because the kid is manipulating them and being clingy/not learning independence), but no one calls the authorities on them. And with infants it's even more common: people don't want to get up and go to another room every two hours when the baby wakes up; easier to just have it there.

There's nothing uniquely "Indian" about it.
I agree..lots of parents in North America do it too (have seen one or 2 episodes of those supernanny shows too ). I watched an Indian TV video of this incident on youtube, in which they only show the parents' side of the story. I agree with the previous posters that the side of the Norwegian authorities needs to be presented. There is a possibility though, that the authorities may have acted too aggressively and there may have been a communication gap between the authorities and the parents( I think the majority speaks very good English in Norway, so I don't think it is a language issue ).
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KOLKATA: There's finally some light at the end of the tunnel for the couple who has been forced to stay away from their children in Norway. The Indian embassy in Oslo has taken up the matter and is trying to unite the parents with their children.

On May 11 last year, a Norwegian childcare agency had taken custody of the children after alleging the parents were not capable of taking care of the little ones.

P Balachandran, first secretary (political) of Indian embassy in Oslo, met Anurup and Sagarika Bhattacharya at their Stavanger residence to discuss the issue. The embassy also held talks with the childcare agency. The Indian diplomat is trying to withdraw the cases framed against the parents so that they can be reunited with their children.

Balachandran has reportedly assured the agency that the Indian government will make sure that the children are taken care of once they return to their parents.

The agency had taken custody of the two children - Avigyan (3) and Aishwarya (1) - and had placed them with two different foster-care families.

The couple had appealed for help to Bengal chief minister Mamata Banerjee in December. Mamata had taken up the matter with the foreign minister. Following the CM's initiative, the Indian embassy in Oslo had been asked to provide necessary support to the couple.

Anurup told TOI from Norway that the Indian diplomat had assured all possible support to get the children back. "He also spoke to the childcare agency and wanted to visit the children. But the agency has asked the diplomat to contact them next week. He might be allowed to visit the children now placed with two different families," he said.

Anurup added the agency placed certain conditions for returning the children. "They want documentary evidence to assure that the children can be brought up properly in India. We have to prove that we have the financial capability along with proof of sufficient resources to show that we can look after them till they turn 18. Moreover, we have to show them that there are enough parks and recreation facilities for the children in Kolkata."

The couple said they were ready to leave Norway once they got the custody of their children. "But the agency has plans to arrange the visa of the children and keep them in their custody till they turn 18, if in any case we say that we are unable to care them. My visa will be expiring in early March and if it is not extended, it could be difficult for me to apply for the visa of the children and get their custody," said Anurup.

The Norwegian agency has also proposed to place the children with some Indian families.

Sagarika, who is very depressed with the developments, broke down while speaking to ToI over phone. "When will I get my children back? They are so small. How can they stay away from their mother? It is a real torture on them in the name of childcare. Now, even my daughter cannot see her brother as they have been placed with two different families. My children can't follow Norwegian language and that is a major problem for them," she said.
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the arrogance of the norwegian authorities is too much to bear. who the fuck do they think they are to ask if there are enough parks in india where the children can be raised? someone should tell those twats that children have been brough up in india for centuries without the need of western-designed parks 5 blocks away from every random house in the suburbs
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Even if the decision was wrong, a civilised society like Norway will surely have proper recourse for the parents should they wish to appeal it.
sure, a civilized society like norway will always find a way to give justice at the end...
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bizzare story.
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the arrogance of the norwegian authorities is too much to bear. who the fuck do they think they are to ask if there are enough parks in india where the children can be raised? someone should tell those twats that children have been brough up in india for centuries without the need of western-designed parks 5 blocks away from every random house in the suburbs
''western-designed parks?'' How do these differ from non-western designed parks? You are becoming a caricature of yourself these days.

And you make the above comments while lecturing other people to get their news from reliable sources!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Now that Natalee Halliday is back in the news, I would like to add that nobody here gives a damn about two little brown kids. There are plenty of abused blonde American kids to fuss about.
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''western-designed parks?'' How do these differ from non-western designed parks? You are becoming a caricature of yourself these days.

And you make the above comments while lecturing other people to get their news from reliable sources!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
'fraid to say buddyholly has a point here. In the first article the kids were "a four-month-old infant and a two-and-a-half-year toddler" -- in the second article they are ages 3 and 1. Not a big difference as it relates to the case, but one always has to think 'where there's one error, there could be others.'
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Disagree with the Norwegians on this account.
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Funny how people can have so strong opinions when they got barely any background at all in this case. Norwegian childcare services are no different than the swedish counterpart.

Firstly they don't act if there isn't something very wrong. In this case the parents probably had failed big time multiple times and in turned caused an investigation.

That investigation must have found even more things wrong with the family situation. Then they must act because norwegian law is probably exactly like swedish law, that is the children and their needs are put first

What the parents want is secondary. If they can't look out for their own children they can't and should not keep them. It works the same for norwegians themselves. If you can't handle your children you can't keep them and they will be put in a foster family either for their entire childhood or until there is some change in the situation.

That's how it works and the family in question has most certainly been informed multiple times exactly what they must do but still failed and failed again. Because taking the children away is like the final step in a long chain.

Can't just take a random proof like "they sleep in the same bed". That's like one thing in a report that probably lists hundreds of things. As I said no outsiders got the full story here and it's a very severe action the childcare services chose so you can rest assured they wouldn't do that unless they had a good reason
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