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Old 01-04-2012, 10:58 AM   #16
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Congrats Mimic. I have it on good authority that these stats will mean that the tennis authorities will now proceed to Fed's house, and remove at least 6 of his GS trophies, and furthermore, all traces of his having won them will be deleted from the record books
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MIMIC trying to downplay Fed's (and Nadal's) GS achievements with lousy irrelevant statistics again. What else is new.
I didn't realize this was a Federtard circle jerk forum and every stat had to suggest that he did everything better than everyone else. My apologies.
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Old 01-04-2012, 11:20 AM   #17
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nice staats but I think it should be the top 8 .Also since Fed has won 12 slams more than Novak ,thats why his number is low
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Old 01-04-2012, 11:31 AM   #18
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Don't try to sugarcoat Olderer's slam runs Blake was a mug who never reached a slam SF and was Olderer's pigeon as much as Verdasco for Nadal. Both were top 10 players and Verdasco actually made a slam SF

Second, Davydenko is a known slam choker, shit best of 5 player and another Olderer's pigeon. Youzhny actually beat Nadal comfortably on some occasions...

Lastly you are actually comparing all serve clown like Roddick to Djokovic? lol...Maybe you need a reality check. Olderer played absolute clowns in most of his GS finals, while Nadal's wins were much more impressive.
till 2009 roddick had djokovics number so at this time you couldn`t call roddick an all serve mug and it was just fair to compare them ...
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Old 01-04-2012, 11:34 AM   #19
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The top players (top 5), right now, almost always reach the QF/SF of slams. So slam winners of the last couple of years tend to face fellow top players. Whereas before, upsets happened more often. Some guy ranked outside the top 5 would play crazy tennis for 2 weeks and found themselves in the later stages of slams. Simple really.

The reason for that (sentence in Bold), however... (weak era, homogenized surface, top 4 too strong, etc.) is up for debate.
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I was bored and was wondering how often the Big 3 had to beat a top 5 opponent whenever they won a slam. Soooo.....

Djokovic
Slam titles: 4
Top 5 opponents faced: 7
Number of top 5 opponents per title: 1.75

Nadal
Slam titles: 10
Top 5 opponents faced: 13
Number of top 5 opponents per title: 1.3
(NOTE: Nadal faced 6 top 5 opponents during his first 4 slam wins [vs. Djokovic's 7])

Federer
Slam titles: 16
Top 5 opponents he faced: 19
Number of top 5 opponents per title: 1.19
(NOTE: Federer faced 6 top 5 opponents during his first 4 slam wins [vs. Djokovic's 7 & Nadal's 6] and 12 top 5 opponents during his first 10 slam wins [vs. Nadal's 13]. Also, he didn't play a single top 5 seed in two of his slam titles: the 2007 Australian Open [10th slam] & Wimbledon 2009 [15th slam])


Hmmmm....
but you forget that rankings can lie...look at the australian open 2004...safin wasn't even seeded due to injury ...you know what? he played like a top 5player no offence to your stats but they are most useless because rankings doesn`t always tell you the truth about players abilities , form and so on
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Old 01-04-2012, 11:42 AM   #21
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Most of the time when a player is in the QF+ of a tournament they are in form and playing above their usual standard. The difference in the last few years is that the top 4 are making the SF most of the time regardless of how well they play.
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Then there are some players who will never beat the top 4 due to either mental or skill gaps. Playing them is considered an easing circumstance.
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Default Re: Fed/Rafa/Djoker: how often they've faced the top 5

Useless thread by a bored noletroll.

Only relevant thing to the History books is:

16>10>4

Period.
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Old 01-04-2012, 12:17 PM   #24
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I didn't realize this was a Federtard circle jerk forum and every stat had to suggest that he did everything better than everyone else. My apologies.
What does it mean to say that Nadal faced 0.11 more top 5 players than Federer per GS? You haven't given us any reason why we should care about these statistics.

Especially since they tell us nothing about players outside the top 5 (is it 'better' to beat 2 players ranked 6 vs. 1 player ranked 5?), and because they tell us nothing about players' form. Maybe if this thread had any kind of analysis, it might not be totally worthless.
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Old 01-04-2012, 12:19 PM   #25
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Useless thread by a bored noletroll.

Only relevant thing to the History books is:

16>10>4

Period.
Sad, really. it could be understandable a month ago but tennis is back, there are live matches on, and this guy harping on some numbers game
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To be frank, Nole had it tougher than Nadal and Federer to win his slams. The competition was much tougher than before.
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Old 01-04-2012, 12:42 PM   #27
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whats wrong with giving numbers .I believe he needs to give it for the top 8 but still 12 slam difference screws the numbers
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Old 01-04-2012, 02:02 PM   #28
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What does it mean to say that Nadal faced 0.11 more top 5 players than Federer per GS? You haven't given us any reason why we should care about these statistics.

Especially since they tell us nothing about players outside the top 5 (is it 'better' to beat 2 players ranked 6 vs. 1 player ranked 5?), and because they tell us nothing about players' form. Maybe if this thread had any kind of analysis, it might not be totally worthless.
How bout I post the career resumes of every single player they have ever faced (and every player that THEY'VE ever faced) so we can be as thorough as possible, huh? They've all played shitty seeded opponents and they've all played in-form unseeded opponents. This isn't just exclusive to Federer. So let's just ignore that please. If anything, comparing the actual top 5 opponents would be more beneficial.

And yes, I arbitrarily drew the line at top 5. I could just as easily ask you is it better to beat 2 players ranked top 7 vs. 1 player ranked top 6 and could go on and on until we're talking about a player ranked No. 300 so let's just leave it at top 5, OK? When you think "Top 5", you don't think "untalented clowns" do you? So it's not like I'm trying to disingenuously create a group of guys to suit a particular agenda or something.


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whats wrong with giving numbers .I believe he needs to give it for the top 8 but still 12 slam difference screws the numbers
It's in the OP: "Federer faced 6 top 5 opponents during his first 4 slam wins [vs. Djokovic's 7 & Nadal's 6] and 12 top 5 opponents during his first 10 slam wins [vs. Nadal's 13]."

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Useless thread by a bored noletroll.

Only relevant thing to the History books is:

16>10>4

Period.
You are free to create a "This is the number of slams Novak, Rafa, and Roger have" thread, BTW
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Most of the time when a player is in the QF+ of a tournament they are in form and playing above their usual standard. The difference in the last few years is that the top 4 are making the SF most of the time regardless of how well they play.
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How bout I post the career resumes of every single player they have ever faced (and every player that THEY'VE ever faced) so we can be as thorough as possible, huh? They've all played shitty seeded opponents and they've all played in-form unseeded opponents. This isn't just exclusive to Federer. So let's just ignore that please. If anything, comparing the actual top 5 opponents would be more beneficial.

And yes, I arbitrarily drew the line at top 5. I could just as easily ask you is it better to beat 2 players ranked top 7 vs. 1 player ranked top 6 and could go on and on until we're talking about a player ranked No. 300 so let's just leave it at top 5, OK?
It doesn't make the question any less valid, does it? If you want to evaluate the overall level of opposition in each slam, you have to consider all the opponents; not just the ones who fit within the top 5. Your argument is: "well that's too much work". OK, but that's just means we don't reach any conclusions.

It doesn't mean you can decide arbitrarily, just because you're too lazy to do the actual work (i.e that outside the top 5 there was no difference in the average rank of opponent). In any case you haven't even made any arguments, based on the data you supplied. Data without interpretation is meaningless.

So Nadal faced 0.11 more top 5 players per slam than Federer. Great! Do we know how often each player towelled off during the change of ends? Maybe I should present that data in a new thread.
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