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Sebastien Grosjean 41 57.75%
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Old 12-28-2011, 06:29 PM   #46
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He is better than any of the player Grosjean ever beat on grass, that's for sure!
I cant say for sure
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Sebastien Grosjean, set off Rafa at French. That takes talent.
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He is better than any of the player Grosjean ever beat on grass, that's for sure!
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Old 12-28-2011, 07:28 PM   #49
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Gasquet is more naturally talented than Federer. Hard to believe but that's true. However, in professional tennis, natural talent is just one of several factors in order to be successful. And Richard sucks big time in the others factors whereas Fed is quite excellent in all of them.
Not really. Gasquet's movement is pretty poor, his forehand is flawed and his serve is mediocre. Yes, he can come up with insane winners and has some nice touch, but still doesn't mean anything as all that talk was hype when he was a teenager and people carried it into his 20s.

Of course, Gasquet is still talented, certainly more talented than a good portion of the top 100, but I've always thought when the tennis world tried to hype Richard by saying he was more talented naturally than Federer, that it was all just talk. Plus, when they meet, Federer normally shows who has the better backhand

Between the two, I would have to say Grosjean by far. He was incredible at his best, had a pounding forehand, poor but still talented backhand, huge serve and great touch. He did all this being 4 inches shorter than Gasquet too.

Just look at this match for example
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gasquet is more talented but i prefer grosjean so much
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Gasquet.

Grosjean was the better player though.
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Not really. Gasquet's movement is pretty poor, his forehand is flawed and his serve is mediocre.
Movement is a physical trait not technical.
His forehand is not good yes.
His serve is not mediocre, it's a pretty good shot overall.

There is no debate between Seb and Richard. Gasquet is more talented. And, on the other hand, Grosjean is the better player.
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Movement is a physical trait not technical.
His forehand is not good yes.
His serve is not mediocre, it's a pretty good shot overall.

There is no debate between Seb and Richard. Gasquet is more talented. And, on the other hand, Grosjean is the better player.
Why do you keep repeating false statements? By your logic Usain Bolt would have immaculate court movement and also have his feet in the correct position for every shot.
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Movement is a physical trait not technical.
His forehand is not good yes.
His serve is not mediocre, it's a pretty good shot overall.

There is no debate between Seb and Richard. Gasquet is more talented. And, on the other hand, Grosjean is the better player.
Lol? Movement in general is a physical trait, but it takes talent to have the right footwork as you have to be able to bounce at the right time and how to position yourself to hit the ball in the best possible spot. So, you're wrong, much of it has to do with talent too. Gasquet so often gets tangled up with his footwork.

Gasquet has even pointed out himself that he is most ashamed with his serve. His serve is really crappy. As pointed out several times, Grosjean had an amazing serve and he was 4 inches shorter than Richard. He doesn't have a terrible serve, but to say it is more than mediocre is a joke.
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You don't have a clue, Gasquet's serve is a good shot. Ask to Puschkin.

@Leng jai Bolt wouldn't have immaculate court movement because he is not agile. Movement in tennis is a subtle mix between being fast and being agile. Both physical traits.
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You are still missing the point. Just because you are agile doesn't mean you know how to position your body. The movements for each type of sport are completely different. Are deliberately being daft?
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Gasquet has even pointed out himself that he is most ashamed with his serve.
I never heard that. Working on it to improve it doesn't imply being "ashamed" of the status quo.

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Grosjean had an amazing serve.
Wrong on both occasions.
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You are still missing the point. Just because you are agile doesn't mean you know how to position your body. The movements for each type of sport are completely different. Are deliberately being daft?
Knowing how to position your body is not an innate gift. You learned it in the tennis school and the most agile and fast tennis players are able to do it to the perfection.
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Knowing how to position your body is not an innate gift. You learned it in the tennis school and the most agile and fast tennis players are able to do it to the perfection.
Nothing is an innate gift by your definition. No one is born with the knowledge on what trajectory they need to swing the racket at for each shot. Just because you are agile doesn't automatically mean you can immaculately position yourself for shots. What kind of logic is that? It doesn't matter how fast you do it if its wrong.
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Everything is an innate gift by your definition. Even the toss coin (all about how you throw the coin)
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