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Old 12-21-2011, 12:44 PM   #106
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it's hilarious how the names of bin laden, gaddafi, castro, jong-il and even chávez (even though that one was democratically elected) are thrown in together whereas mubarak, who was overtrown by his own people this year after a cruel 17 years old dictatorship, isn't even mentioned. why? well, the former were also contanstly criticized by the 'free media' and the latter was the west's darling.

as usual, the double standards and the brainwashing are clear in the minds of most here in MTF...
We have also been brainwashed into believing that ''brainwashing'' means a choice can be made.
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Old 12-21-2011, 01:07 PM   #107
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it's hilarious how the names of bin laden, gaddafi, castro, jong-il and even chávez (even though that one was democratically elected) are thrown in together whereas mubarak, who was overtrown by his own people this year after a cruel 17 years old dictatorship, isn't even mentioned. why? well, the former were also contanstly criticized by the 'free media' and the latter was the west's darling.

as usual, the double standards and the brainwashing are clear in the minds of most here in MTF...
I think most people were glad to see the arab spring, but it seems clear that it still has a long way to go.

Sharia law looks like the probable outcome.
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Old 12-21-2011, 01:45 PM   #108
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mubarak, who was overtrown by his own people this year after a cruel 17 years old dictatorship, isn't even mentioned. why? well, the former were also contanstly criticized by the 'free media' and the latter was the west's darling.
At least the camel trains ran on time!
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Well said, man.





With you it is hard to tell why you posted all those great pics. I especially like the one where he introduces a new hygiene product for the privy, thus solving the problem of all the excess corn the country produces.
And the nightly changing of the guards of the boudoir is always a palace attraction.
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Old 12-21-2011, 03:51 PM   #110
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Well said, man.


Great images. What a modest man this dear leader.
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Old 12-21-2011, 06:20 PM   #111
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And even myself ! 'It's virtuous to be poor' IS Christian, but not Communist. And correct me if I'm wrong, you seem to imply that poverty and happiness are incompatible. Poverty is not Misery. "The humiliation of the Poor creates Misery" said Bernanos. You can be happy and poor (you even gave your personal experience as example, if I understood correctly).
I would say that you can be virtuous and poor, but I would not say that being poor is a virtue and therefore something to be desired, as you seem to think Christianity maintains: that aspect of Christianity that seems to say ''don't worry, if you are poor, you will reap the rewards by being favoured in the afterlife.''
I suspect that was just a ruse by the church to keep the poor and miserable from complaining.

Oh, and no, you did not understand correctly.
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'It's virtuous to be poor' IS Christian
i haven't read the Bible in a long time but my interpretation of it is that material poverty by itself isn't a virtue but a a life of material wealth isn't compatible with a life of virtue.
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Both Koreas have plenty of issues to tackle.

I remember during the Park Chung Hee government (South Korea), this regime prostituted South Korean women to bring money to the country.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/08/wo...pagewanted=all

South Korea also has one of the largest poverty rates for old people over the age of 65. About 50% of elderly over the age of 65 are in relative poverty.

Neither Korea is perfect. And just because South Korea has a "democratic" label on it doesn't mean things are going great for them.

Hopefully both countries take the right steps when it comes to approaching reforms and maybe one day they will be unified. But until then, both have to fix their own problems gradually before they can point fingers at each other.

And imperialist intervention/harassment will not improve situations anytime soon. The U.S. should also close down their army posts in South Korea, as this is an obvious violation of South Korea's sovereignty and only provokes hostility in the region among South and North Koreans.
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Old 12-21-2011, 08:33 PM   #114
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Both Koreas have plenty of issues to tackle.

I remember during the Park Chung Hee government (South Korea), this regime prostituted South Korean women to bring money to the country.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/08/wo...pagewanted=all

South Korea also has one of the largest poverty rates for old people over the age of 65. About 50% of elderly over the age of 65 are in relative poverty.

Neither Korea is perfect. And just because South Korea has a "democratic" label on it doesn't mean things are going great for them.

Hopefully both countries take the right steps when it comes to approaching reforms and maybe one day they will be unified. But until then, both have to fix their own problems gradually before they can point fingers at each other.

And imperialist intervention/harassment will not improve situations anytime soon. The U.S. should also close down their army posts in South Korea, as this is an obvious violation of South Korea's sovereignty and only provokes hostility in the region among South and North Koreans.
couldn't have said it better myself.

you're one of the finest political posters of this website
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Old 12-21-2011, 08:35 PM   #115
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I think most people were glad to see the arab spring, but it seems clear that it still has a long way to go.

Sharia law looks like the probable outcome.
as opposed to the positive outcomes derived from the western interventions?
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Both Koreas have plenty of issues to tackle.

I remember during the Park Chung Hee government (South Korea), this regime prostituted South Korean women to bring money to the country.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/08/wo...pagewanted=all

South Korea also has one of the largest poverty rates for old people over the age of 65. About 50% of elderly over the age of 65 are in relative poverty.

Neither Korea is perfect. And just because South Korea has a "democratic" label on it doesn't mean things are going great for them.

Hopefully both countries take the right steps when it comes to approaching reforms and maybe one day they will be unified. But until then, both have to fix their own problems gradually before they can point fingers at each other.

And imperialist intervention/harassment will not improve situations anytime soon. The U.S. should also close down their army posts in South Korea, as this is an obvious violation of South Korea's sovereignty and only provokes hostility in the region among South and North Koreans.
Exactly. The fact that South Korea has its flaws and problems means there isn't really a major difference between both Koreas.

I mean, it's simple logic.
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Both Koreas have plenty of issues to tackle.

I remember during the Park Chung Hee government (South Korea), this regime prostituted South Korean women to bring money to the country.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/08/wo...pagewanted=all

South Korea also has one of the largest poverty rates for old people over the age of 65. About 50% of elderly over the age of 65 are in relative poverty.

Neither Korea is perfect. And just because South Korea has a "democratic" label on it doesn't mean things are going great for them.

Hopefully both countries take the right steps when it comes to approaching reforms and maybe one day they will be unified. But until then, both have to fix their own problems gradually before they can point fingers at each other.

And imperialist intervention/harassment will not improve situations anytime soon. The U.S. should also close down their army posts in South Korea, as this is an obvious violation of South Korea's sovereignty and only provokes hostility in the region among South and North Koreans.
Couldn't have said it any worse than abraxas but still mostly illogical.

Comparing the South (one of the richest most advanced economies) to the North (one of the poorest and most oppressed) is like discussing who's the better grass court player between Federer and Oscar Hernandez. The South doesn't have satellite TV and high-speed internet in every home nor does Roger have the serve of Karlovic and volleys of Sampras.

You can refer to US involvement as "imperialist harassment" all you want but free trade and military aid is the kind of harassment South Korean victims will be happy to cope with.
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And imperialist intervention/harassment will not improve situations anytime soon. The U.S. should also close down their army posts in South Korea, as this is an obvious violation of South Korea's sovereignty and only provokes hostility in the region among South and North Koreans.
abraxas thinks you are a fine poster, but that is not surprising considering you don't know what you are talking about. Or perhaps you might well know what you are talking - which is Castroese. Calling the US presence in South Korea a violation of South Korea's sovereignty is just twaddle. But most of your posts consist of twaddle.
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Couldn't have said it any worse than abraxas but still mostly illogical.
coming from you, i'll take it as a compliment

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Comparing the South (one of the richest most advanced economies) to the North (one of the poorest and most oppressed) is like discussing who's the better grass court player between Roger Federer and Oscar Hernandez.
apt comparison except that... well, no-one is camparing north korea with south korea. i don't know how your 'logic' works but the simple mention of south korea's faults doesn't mean their population are worse off than in the south.

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You can refer to US involvement as "imperialist harassment" all you want but free trade and military aid is the kind of harassment South Korean victims will be happy to cope with.
it takes a high degree of delusion to talk about 'free trade' with a straight face as if it really existed.

as for military aid, it always comes with strings attached. no country should accept it but then again south korea has whore itself out so much to the yanks that it hardly makes any difference at this point. they can have military aid while they play baseball with chinese imported bats. what a joke.
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abraxas thinks you are a fine poster, but that is not surprising considering you don't know what you are talking about. Or perhaps you might well know what you are talking - which is Castroese.

your obsession with castro is cute
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