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Old 12-22-2011, 10:21 PM   #151
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zimbabwe, easily. compared to north korea life in zimbabwe seems fun. plus there's a way out.
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Old 12-22-2011, 10:33 PM   #152
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It's not as easy as you think. Many get killed crossing a river of crocodiles trying to escape to South Africa.

But I meant which would you rather live in if you couldn't flee? Very hypothetical but just curious.
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Old 12-23-2011, 12:33 AM   #154
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So because there have been massive mistakes made in the past by 'westerns', we should condone a terrible dictatorship?
you're starting to sound like BH with all these baseless accusations. at no point have i defended kim's dictatorship nor i have said westerners should condone it (whatever the hell you mean with that anyhow)


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BTW, I am NOT a yank. I wouldn't be surprised if "yanks" would consider me a commie, to be honest. So keep those "yank" accusations away from me, thanks.
i'm well aware you're a dutch. hell, you have talked about your country with so much pride in other threads that it would be impossible not to know you're dutch.

anyhow, at not point have i ever even implied you're a yank. i dont know where you're getting these ideas from but you're obviously discussing against an idea of me that doesn't relate in any way to reality. i suggest you read my posts again. thanks
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Old 12-23-2011, 12:39 AM   #155
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I totally addressed your clownish ''reciprocity'' statements but you don't want to go there now.
oh, dear. are you always this literal?

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You said that N. Korea is a ''completely sovereign state'' compared to ''S. Korea which is under the military control of the US''. Maybe you want to parse words now and separate the people from the nation by saying that N. Korea is a free and independent sovereign state, it's just that the citizens inside the state are slaves. But whether you are referring to the sovereignty of the state or the freedom of the people, no rational person would say N. Korea is in a better position than S. Korea.
there are you're fighting with your own inner ghosts again, BH.

again, at no point have i said NK is in a better position than SK.

people in MTF really need to learn how to read properly...
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Old 12-23-2011, 12:42 AM   #156
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You conveniently forget that it's the North who invaded the South and triggered the war.
i don't forget it. i just said that the little US intervention in which hundreds of thousands of innocent north koreans got killed just because the yanks and the soviets were in a pissing contest might have had something to do with the fact that the northern koreans are in a terrible and long dictatorship now.

but of course, to the ones blind to reality those must be 2 totally separated incidents that are in no way related to each other
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i don't forget it. i just said that the little US intervention in which hundreds of thousands of innocent north koreans got killed just because the yanks and the soviets were in a pissing contest might have had something to do with the fact that the northern koreans are in a terrible and long dictatorship now.

but of course, to the ones blind to reality those must be 2 totally separated incidents that are in no way related to each other
Newsflash, a lot of innocent South Koreans died as well, and they are not in a terrible and long dictatorship now (though they were in some kind of during 60s/70s/80s).
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Newsflash, a lot of innocent South Koreans died as well, and they are not in a terrible and long dictatorship now (though they were in some kind of during 60s/70s/80s).
newsflash to you: does that change in any way the point i made?

if not then better stay quiet, son.
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you're starting to sound like BH with all these baseless accusations. at no point have i defended kim's dictatorship nor i have said westerners should condone it (whatever the hell you mean with that anyhow)
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i'm well aware you're a dutch. hell, you have talked about your country with so much pride in other threads that it would be impossible not to know you're dutch.
"Pride" about my country? Don't make me laugh.
I don't do nationalism, mate. Far from it, I've despised the route my country is taking in politics for quite some many years already. The Netherlands, in contrary to popular belief, is well on its way to become the most harsh right-wing country in the entirety of Europe right now, and NO I do not like it at all.

You must have mixed me up with another Dutchie poster.
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Old 12-23-2011, 02:02 AM   #160
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"Pride" about my country? Don't make me laugh.
I don't do nationalism, mate. Far from it, I've despised the route my country is taking in politics for quite some many years already. The Netherlands, in contrary to popular belief, is well on its way to become the most harsh right-wing country in the entirety of Europe right now, and NO I do not like it at all.

You must have mixed me up with another Dutchie poster.
way to change topics, eh...

with regards to national pride, yes, i think you indeed have a lot of it. not that there's anything wrong with that. in point of fact, i personally think nationalism -understood as having a special love for your own culture, places and people- is great and going by your posts i'd say your personal brand of nationalism falls under my criteria. i actually meant no offense or sarcasm at all with that comment.
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You get more demented each day. I am surprised you didn't just go all the way and suggest that the North Koreans are lucky not to have to decide what to have for dinner each day.

Oh, that reminds me of what a Cuban employee said when I took him to a supermarket in Toronto and he saw the ice cream freezer. "Why do they have all those choices? Ice cream is just ice cream.''
Maybe this Cuban is not a spoiled arsehole such as yourself. Ever thought about that

I remember watching a documentary about Cuba, and some young girl told the American camera man, that she could careless about $70 high quality Nike shoes, as long as Cuba meets her basic needs, in which she felt the Cuban govt. did meet those needs. There was also countless highly talented Cuban baseball players who refused to leave Cuba out of national pride even though they could have signed million dollar contracts with the MLB. The thing is buddyholly, not everyone around the world, is obsessed with the best shoes, the best cars, the best food, the best phones, the best income, the best weather, the best everything! If these people support their leaders/govt., that's their problem, not yours.

But when you try to impose your ethnocentric racist view of what is "right" and what is "wrong", that's just stupid. Because every country around the world is ran differently, and if the people want to change it, believe me, they will change it (that is what revolutions, reforms, etc are for). But if they want to keep things the way they are, they will keep it. This is common sense.
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Bin Laden and Gadaffi as well this year. That's the hat trick.
check your computer keyboard, in the year of 2011, we've lost L(Laden), K(Kaddhafi), J(Jong Il), who's next?
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a friend of mine recently was arguing that the unification of the 2 koreas was against the interests of the western hegemony. his argument was that South Korean wealth and new technology combined with North Korean nuclear bomb would turn a unified korea into a world superpower overnight. korean society seems to have both the labour national-orientation of the Japanese and the family-orientation of china.

i think he has a point and that would explain why the westerners seem so keen to keep the current status quo.
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a friend of mine recently was arguing that the unification of the 2 koreas was against the interests of the western hegemony. his argument was that South Korean wealth and new technology combined with North Korean nuclear bomb would turn a unified korea into a world superpower overnight. korean society seems to have both the labour national-orientation of the Japanese and the family-orientation of china.

i think he has a point and that would explain why the westerners seem so keen to keep the current status quo.
Actually, I've heard a couple of times before, and even read yesterday in some article (CNN maybe? can't find it now) that South is horrified about possible costs of the unification. From the example of West and East Germany, where huge money was spent and the result not exactly what they expected. In case of North Korea it would've been even worse, since they need more help.

Of course, once it clicks it would make one bad-ass country, but it would need a lot of time and a lot of cash, who knows
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