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View Poll Results: What should federer improve during off season that would most help him for 2012 AO?

Movement/reflexes 5 5.62%
Endurance 7 7.87%
Mental Focus 48 53.93%
Backhand 7 7.87%
Return of Serve 14 15.73%
Needs to lose weight/gain muscle 2 2.25%
get rid of annacone 0 0%
get more aces on serve 6 6.74%
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Old 11-27-2011, 08:05 AM   #16
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Default Re: What does federer need to work on before AO 2012 to maximize slam chance?

Not too much, he is kind of dominating right now. Working on his backhand could help since the courts will be significantly slower and higher bouncing. But if the top 4 players remain as weak as they are at the moment, there is no reason Federer should not win the AO next year. It is crazy but it will soon be 2012 and Federer won't have too many threats (if Novak's level remains where it is now).
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Old 11-27-2011, 08:15 AM   #17
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Hope that Rafa, Andy and especially Novak are not 100%. Only way he could win. If Novak gets rested and healthy on that court, Federer can do whatever he wants, it will not matter.
Ya French Open SF didn't happen last year. Federer at his best can still compete with anyone at their best and that is a fact. He may not be physically the same player, but he can still hit winners past anyone. Djokovic can do wahtever he wants, it won't matter if he gets aced or has a 100 MPH forehand struck past him. Don't be a fool.

You're really bringing Andy into the equation? Aside from beating Nadal twice out of what, eight (?) meetings, Murray hasn't done shit against the big 3. Then, in terms of Australia and Nadal, it is his least successful slam, so suddenly Nadal at the this stage and from what we know is going to be a favorite for the title over Federer/Djokovic?

The only thing Federer needs to do is be ready mentally. He has struggled to peak at the right time, for the right matches. And in many of his recent Grand Slam matches, he has changed his tactics at the strangest moments. For example, in the second set of Australia last year against Novak, he was playing much more patient and took his time which allowed him to break Novak's rhythm and nearly take the set. However, after he got the lead, he went back to how he played the first set and it was then Novak who was taking his time and allowed Federer to make poor decisions in their rallies.

Either way, if you look in the past during Federer's prime, he didn't particularly play amazing in the first week of slam events, he would do just enough, or as they say, he would play as Soliderer. I've felt that the past few years he would reach his peak performance in the first week of slams and then when the second week would come, he would be spraying errors quite a bit. At the French Open this year, he did very well to peak for the second week, but at some of the other tournaments, I think he peaked very poorly. Of course it is easier said than done and you risk losing early if you just play bare minimum, but that balance does need to be maintained. Many tournament winners start out their runs shaky. Just look at Novak. At the US Open 2010, he played that really questionable match against Troicki and went on to reach the final. Then in Australia, he lost a set against Dodig and things were not looking too promising, yet he ended up winning the title. Similarly for Federer, at the Australian Open 2010, he didn't play lights out tennis from his first round match against Andreev all the way to Davydenko, but he certainly turned up the heat for his SF/F matches.

He should take a nice break after London and come back to Doha playing lackadaisical if he honestly wants any chance in Australia. Just compare the starts of 2011 and 2010. He started Doha in 2010 somewhat poor and got his ass handed to him by Davydenko, but ended up playing some of his best tennis ever in Australia. Then in 2011, he played absolutely perfect in Doha, returned the favor to Davydenko in the final but played quite poorly in Australia. It doesn't mean he shouldn't win Doha, but he shouldn't play all his cards at that event. A great example is Halle 2006. All his matches were literally tight 3 setters and he even had to save 4 match points against Rochus. But after winning Halle, he came into Wimbledon on amazing form and only dropped one set which was in the final.
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Old 11-27-2011, 10:04 AM   #18
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Default Re: What does federer need to work on before AO 2012 to maximize slam chance?

Just two things. Footwork and serve. Every time he plays badly these days it's easy to see that his movement is not quite where it used to be.
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Old 11-27-2011, 10:28 AM   #19
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there isnt much he can do, the game has evolved, im afraid his single handed backhand isnt going to cut it anymore.
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Old 11-27-2011, 10:32 AM   #20
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AO is the least likely chance Rog can win slam next year.
The heat will get to old fed, and tire him easily.

I don't think Rog can win AO, it's Nole's to lose.
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Old 11-27-2011, 10:32 AM   #21
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Definitely hope Nole is not 100 percent..They have met twice and I don't think Roger has won a set has he? Murray should be no issue.. Tsonga may be an issue As could Berdych.. Will have to wait and if see Nadal is ready since hes playing Davis Cup before.


Really Fed shouldn't need to do anything Outside of Nole, no one should be an issue.. Just play his game and either:

A: Hope to Avoid Nole
B: Hope Nole isn't 100 percent
C: A long shot.. Hope 2009 AO Nadal doesn't show up.
Federer has won 3 sets against Djokovic at the 2007AO
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Old 11-27-2011, 10:38 AM   #22
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He could serve like it's WTF 2010, but that's still not going to cut it on these courts.
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Default Re: What does federer need to work on before AO 2012 to maximize slam chance?

Slowhardcourt and humid conditions are the worst for Federer. But if he gets a good draw, who knows?

Actually my gut tells me Murray might finally take a GS.
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Hope that Rafa, Andy and especially Novak are not 100%. Only way he could win. If Novak gets rested and healthy on that court, Federer can do whatever he wants, it will not matter.
This.

He is a great oportunist though, he wont let it go away.
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Federer has won 3 sets against Djokovic at the 2007AO
it was a different surface a different Nole and a different Fed....we all can agree to that

Fed is not winning Slams at this point ....his focus comes and goes during the match and 7 matches in BO5 is death for him now.....
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Motivation really.
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Shoulder injuries are a bitch to recover from what I've heard and Nole's been dealing with this since Cinci if I recall. Is it safe to assume it should be better by January?? Someone who knows more about those kinda issues care to share..
It depends on how bad the injury is. I had a shoulder problem that lasted 2 years. It only got better when i totally let it rest for 5 months. That is a thing het cant/will not do so i think that is why he has some strange losses.
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It depends on how bad the injury is. I had a shoulder problem that lasted 2 years. It only got better when i totally let it rest for 5 months. That is a thing het cant/will not do so i think that is why he has some strange losses.
Novak is not hurt now he just burned out at the end
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mentality . he still has the game, but I am not sure if he is still able to win matches decided by point or two
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Default Re: What does federer need to work on before AO 2012 to maximize slam chance?

Nothing, Federer's done. Therefore pointless poll since the option "nothing" is not there.

Lets see the other options though:

-movement/reflexes - Not possible as you grow slower and more passive the older you get
-endurance - same as above
-mental focus. That would have been interesting if he found a way to improve it. It's obvious over the years that he can't. Perhaps ease of pressure of not being favourite any more can give him more focus? Debatable.
-Backhand - didn't improve over the years and it's not going to improve now, sadly
-Return of serve . That is related to awareness/reflexes, therefore it goes back to questions 1 and 2. it's also a talent, either you have it or you don't.
-Lose weight/gain muscle. It will mess up his game even if possible. Federer never relied upon that to beat opponents.
-Get rid of Annacone. And hire who? it's obvious that the change of coaches can do nothing for him at this stage, he's his own best coach.
-Get more aces on serve. How many more, is that even possible?


Bottom line: Federer can't improve.
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