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Old 11-06-2012, 09:02 PM   #1111
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It's a right that other people pay for your health care?

I couldn't disagree more.


Absolutely, if you're child was dying of a potentially treatable disease and you couldn't pay for it you would want health care right?

You would want to know your child could live without you having to bankrupt yourself right?

I can't possibly see how people think otherwise. It's pathetic to think helping someone in need is wrong.
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Old 11-06-2012, 09:03 PM   #1112
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Yes. I'm not anxious to work for fat people to spend their lives not only getting disability and welfare checks, but free medical care too.

In that situation, you would simply have to pay the debt off in time. And that's better than soaking the population to pay blanket coverage for all the spongers.
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Old 11-06-2012, 09:05 PM   #1113
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But how would you support your child with no money?
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Old 11-06-2012, 09:07 PM   #1114
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I had a vasectomy as soon as I turned 18 because I never wanted kids. And I wouldn't have children regardless if I couldn't afford to take care of them. That's the entire problem. People need to be responsible for themselves. You can't afford to take of a child, then there are plenty who want to adopt and are forced (or allowed) to adopt foreigners. That needs to change. But the government should be involved in our lives at the bare minimum possible.
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Old 11-06-2012, 09:12 PM   #1115
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So you don't believe healthcare to be a basic human right, then. I wonder what do you consider basic human rights (besides FREEDOM, I'm sure you like that quite a lot).
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This Tommy_Vercetti is such a troller.
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A person should be able to live how they chose and believe in whatever they want.

People don't have the right to live off of anyone else. The productive paying for the weakest links. We don't go from the caves to the moon by having (or expecting) others take care of us.
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congrats, you got my attention for like 1 minute there before breaking off in a borderline-eugenistic rambling.
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It's a fundamental human right. There is no negotiation really.

Selfishness has got us only so far as a species. Sure, it helped us flourish but it holds blame for the mess we are in today.

Altruism is the only viable way forward, and that begins with a basic human right like health care.

Stop worrying about personal gain and profit for once and consider the absolute miracle that we exist, once you realise that you can then understand that health care isn't a issue relating to currency but a concern which is embedded in our conscience as a moral obligation.
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Old 11-06-2012, 09:22 PM   #1120
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Social programs is what is responsible for the mess today. People having kids who can't afford them and nations spending money they don't have. No one takes responsibility anymore. Everyone wants someone else to pay for everything.

Altruism is based around the religious nonsense about being rewarded in death, it's nonsense. And we should be materialistic because all we have is the comfort we can afford during our very short lives. The difference is that I don't resent the rich, I wish I could be one of them and work towards that goal. People who don't have that mentality are the problem.
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Old 11-06-2012, 09:25 PM   #1121
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Bullshit. The reason we are in the mess we are today is because assholes take take take without consideration for anything else other than profit.

Not because people want to help one another.

Americas allergy to socialism is most hilarious thing I have ever seen.
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Altruism is none of that. It is broadly defined as selflessness. Something which conservatives seem to not understand.

I absolutely refute the view that material worth is the only comfort in our lives. What about compassion for others? Love? Caring? We can't quantify and sell these so are they therefore worthless in your view?

My god. I don't even care if you are trolling, it's hilarious to pick holes in your logic.
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Oh yeah, the belief that making money and being successful is not a good thing has done wonders for Europe. Socialism has certainly made Europe a real economic example.
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Oh so America is a shining example of economic prosperity? with persistently high unemployment and shrinking economy?

At least Europe will look after it's citizens while you lot will be rotting away with only the rich able to pay for health care.

I'd also like to point out that it was American bankers which started the economic collapse with years of persistent irresponsible lending.

Wake up.
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If only more of America was like Noam Chomsky.
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