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Old 12-10-2011, 01:36 AM   #166
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Here is your beloved Ron Paul:

mate, yeah... jokeworthy for sure...

but, i'd say this part of his campaign is rock solid... we must remember bush jr's campaign was run with one hand on the bible at all times inside a country where the porn industry rakes in a tonne more than hollywood does.. talk about a schizophrenic nation...

in many U.S. elections you'll see you almost need to polarise a mass of people to force one side to mobilise in fervant support - with any luck in your direction... this is just how their flawed form of democracy works...

i don't support this view of ron paul though... and because it is not the issue of the day, it will disarm any attack on him i'd say... and he doesn't sway from his views so it is an acceptable flaw imo...

but yeah, we must remember that voting isn't compulsory.. and mobilisation of everbody, anybody is the key...
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we must remember bush jr's campaign was run with one hand on the bible at all times inside a country where the porn industry rakes in a tonne more than hollywood does.. talk about a schizophrenic nation...
I think that you're exactly right. This particular "disease" seems to be the side-effect of a traditionally or nominally "Christian" nation in the throes of ever-increasing post-"Enlightenment" secularization (or secular humanization, if you like), for better or worse, depending on one's perspective.

It amounts to a society that is highly ambivalent and "confused," to say the very least, and this confusion will certainly continue to manifest itself in our presidential candidates.

To be fair, though, "moral confusion" is not confined to US borders, but is one of the hallmarks of modernity in the wake of "God's death." Nietzsche both recognized and foretold this with great candor.

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Old 12-10-2011, 03:21 AM   #168
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I think that you're exactly right. This particular "disease" seems to be the side-effect of a traditionally or nominally "Christian" nation in the throes of ever-increasing post-"Enlightenment" secularization (or secular humanization, if you like), for better or worse, depending on one's perspective.

It amounts to a society that is highly ambivalent and "confused," to say the very least, and this confusion will certainly continue to manifest itself in our presidential candidates.

To be fair, though, "moral confusion" is not confined to US borders, but is one of the hallmarks of modernity in the wake of "God's death." Nietzsche both recognized and foretold this with great candor.
yes, digressing a little, but i would say the realms developed from which the bible was touted, and the realms developed from which the koran held sway have both had their own detailed periods of renaissance... but in this life i can clearly define which one and WHY i would choose to be brought into... even though, as you say, the one both you and i know is currently experiencing a period of confusion and decay... what i can also say though from this realm that i know, is that the book that is a major pillar of our realm, is essentially a good book - no matter how derided... it has just been twisted and manipulated too many times, and, the message lost in my opinion... and so, knowing that the book itself has become more or less a tool for the ages, i can fully accept ron paul using it at he pleases, if only it enables him to implement a monetary system that will largely destroy the abuse of money - money should be a tool for the people... not a tool for the few... and, in that, paul speakes a gospel not unlike that found in the good book...
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Care to elaborate how either of these countries are imperialists? (Especially the latter).
No need to elaborate on China's seizure of lands to the west.

Chavez is trying to spread his Bolivarian revolution throughout South America. He would see himself as the supreme leader of South America. So far the only puppets he has got are Bolivia and Ecuador. Of course Chavez is also the puppet of Cuba.
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No need to elaborate on China's seizure of lands to the west.

Chavez is trying to spread his Bolivarian revolution throughout South America. He would see himself as the supreme leader of South America. So far the only puppets he has got are Bolivia and Ecuador. Of course Chavez is also the puppet of Cuba.
The Bolivarian revolution is an alliance of nations with similar ideologies. It has nothing to do with neither Chavez or Venezuela trying to take over their neighbors

And which lands are China occupying in the west? If you are referring to Tibet. It's a unique region of China. Look up the Seventeen Point Agreement. In fact they even have a picture of Mao with the Dalai Lama back then agreeing upon the incorporation of Tibet back to mainland China. Heck the Dalai Lama himself speaks Chinese as his mother language

But of course if you want Tibet to separate from China. You might as well expect Mexico to reclaim California, Texas, and its former territories
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The Bolivarian revolution is an alliance of nations with similar ideologies. It has nothing to do with neither Chavez or Venezuela trying to take over their neighbors

And which lands are China occupying in the west? If you are referring to Tibet. It's a unique region of China. Look up the Seventeen Point Agreement. In fact they even have a picture of Mao with the Dalai Lama back then agreeing upon the incorporation of Tibet back to mainland China. Heck the Dalai Lama himself speaks Chinese as his mother language

But of course if you want Tibet to separate from China. You might as well expect Mexico to reclaim California, Texas, and its former territories
Oh please! Are you that naive? Do you really expect me to accept a "Seventeen Point'' agreement allegedly made by the Mao regime? I didn't know there were still people around who thought anything produced by that genocidal monster could even have a shred of validity. Read up on Wikipedia.

A Chavez doll has just shown up in the manger with Jesus in an official creche in Caracas. Maybe I underestimated the guy. He now appears to be determined to save mankind.

PS: The word mainland keeps cropping up in your posts. Check your dictionary.
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You simply cannot pretend someone who ignores an established scientific theory is qualified to become the most powerful person in the world.
Lol, he isn't campaigning for the chair at the department of biology, it couldn't matter less. Get your priorities sorted out
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But of course if you want Tibet to separate from China. You might as well expect Mexico to reclaim California, Texas, and its former territories
A bit of the old apples and oranges there. "Separate'' and ''reclaim.'' Your analogy should be Texas wanting to leave the US and be independent, not Texas being absorbed into Mexico.
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A bit of the old apples and oranges there. "Separate'' and ''reclaim.'' Your analogy should be Texas wanting to leave the US and be independent, not Texas being absorbed into Mexico.
That wouldn't make sense given it was once part of Mexico. Therefore it should be part of Mexico.

But of course what would you understand?

After all you've got a flag of Northern Ireland which displays your pathetic separatist mentality.
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Chavez is trying to spread his Bolivarian revolution throughout South America. He would see himself as the supreme leader of South America. So far the only puppets he has got are Bolivia and Ecuador. Of course Chavez is also the puppet of Cuba.
sure, nevermind the fact that the presidents of bolivia, ecuador and venezuela were elected in sovereign democratic elections in their respective nations...

but i guess that in your paranoid mind anything linked in one way or another to leftiest ideologuies automatically means that they're 'puppets' of someone else. it's amazing to see how the same people who are quick to dismiss all types of lefty conspiracy theories (most of them quite crazy, i admit) are quick to make up the most deluded conspiracies when it comes to think about how left-wing leaders/countries work.
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But of course what would you understand?

After all you've got a flag of Northern Ireland which displays your pathetic separatist mentality.
Well, for starters I would never understand you. After you have checked ''mainland'' in the dictionary I suggest your next task should be to check ''separatist'' with reference to Ireland. I have never, ever been a member of the IRA. How dare you?

But I forgive you. You are so clueless, I have little choice. Here you are, arguing that Tibet's wish to separate from communist China is pathetic, just as Ireland's determination to separate from the UK was pathetic.
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sure, nevermind the fact that the presidents of bolivia, ecuador and venezuela were elected in sovereign democratic elections in their respective nations...

but i guess that in your paranoid mind anything linked in one way or another to leftiest ideologuies automatically means that they're 'puppets' of someone else. it's amazing to see how the same people who are quick to dismiss all types of lefty conspiracy theories (most of them quite crazy, i admit) are quick to make up the most deluded conspiracies when it comes to think about how left-wing leaders/countries work.
Chavez is a clown, a wannabe Gadaafi, who pictures himself as the strong man of South America. My posts mentioning Chavez will always have a mocking tone. Such as the Chavez Christmas creche now on display in Caracas. What the news article didn't explain is if he was depicted as one of the three wise men or just one of the asses.

And yes, Chavez is Castro's willing bitch.
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Well, for starters I would never understand you. After you have checked ''mainland'' in the dictionary I suggest your next task should be to check ''separatist'' with reference to Ireland. I have never, ever been a member of the IRA. How dare you?

But I forgive you. You are so clueless, I have little choice. Here you are, arguing that Tibet's wish to separate from communist China is pathetic, just as Ireland's determination to separate from the UK was pathetic.
Ireland isn't part of the UK. But North Ireland, is part of Ireland

Why else do you think its called "Northern Ireland"
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Chavez is a clown, a wannabe Gadaafi, who pictures himself as the strong man of South America. My posts mentioning Chavez will always have a mocking tone. Such as the Chavez Christmas creche now on display in Caracas. What the news article didn't explain is if he was depicted as one of the three wise men or just one of the asses.

And yes, Chavez is Castro's willing bitch.
What is a "willing" bitch? You sound ludicrous.

The bottom line was, you claimed he was an imperialist when those countries democratically selected their own leaders. You've lost credibility my friend.

Well no point in going back and forth with you when you've irrationally labeled Venezuela as an imperialist state.

And yeah BTW, I do sympathize with the original IRA. They defended their country from colonialists (those that you happen to support, unfortunately).

BTW make yourself useful, and vote for Ron Paul. You'd do the world a huge favor dear holly. You'd select a peacemaker to come to power instead of a war monger
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Ireland isn't part of the UK. But North Ireland, is part of Ireland

Why else do you think its called "Northern Ireland"
Ireland was part of the UK until the Republic of Ireland separated. Northern Ireland didn't separate from anything. You have just got everything totally reversed.

Maybe the fact that in the first line you demonstrate that you are unable to distinguish between geographical and political entities explains your confusion.
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