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Old 11-21-2011, 05:11 PM   #106
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Spain running their competition into the ground? Did we watch the same World Cup???
Naaah, he didn't watch it.
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Old 11-21-2011, 05:14 PM   #107
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To be honest, he's telling exactly what many people think. And many wonder how something like "Operation Puerto" has been simply buried. This can only make people more suspicious rightly or wrongly.

Sudden massive success from a country in the past has always ended tainted with proof of a doping system (Communist countries, USA). Even France had one at some point.

What is funny though is that most spanish anwsers are "we work more". But doping is essentially used to be able to "work more" nowadays (longer and harder trainings, faster recovery time, etc...). I suggest them to use a different answer

Regarding sports, I don't think that spanish footballers are more doped than any other. Sport is too globalized now and doping is probably done at club level essentially. Tennis, I don't know. Basket, I'm not a specialist.
But spanish cycling is for me a dead cert. No success at all in Tdf (not even close unless you go back to Bahamontes) until the arrival of EPO in the 90s and since that, they win it pretty much every year with many different athletes. Too good to be true IMO.
Blatant lying should not be free...

Where has this myth come from, that Spanish success is so sudden? I can't think of a better example of a continuous and gradual improvement of sporting prowess.

If you're going to make such accusations, back them up with evidence or shut up.


The statement about Spanish cycling is even more ridiculous... no success at all in TdF, not even close unless you go back to Bahamontes until the 90s, uh?

Luis Ocaña, 1973 winner and biggest rival of the great Merckx, was on his way to beating him in 1971 when he crashed.

Pedro Delgado, 1988 winner.

Julio Muñoz, polka dot jersey winner three times in the 60s, plus Trueba in 1933, Berrendero in 1936, Loroño in 1953, Aurelio Puente in 1968, Cruces in 1973, Perurena in 1974.

Plus several multiple stage winners of course.

And that's limiting ourselves to the TdF, which is understandable coming from a citizen of the ultimate chauvinist country.

In other races we might mention Miguel Poblet winning the Milan-San Remo twice in the 1950s and being second in the Paris-Roubaix, plus being the first and one of only three riders in history to win stages in all three Grand Tours (including twenty in the Giro!). And Fuente almost beating Merckx in the Giro several times and winning several mountain stages. Fuente won the mountains jersey 4 times, and Andrés Oliva twice also in the 1970s.

So there!
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The methods and drugs used by Armstrong in 1999 would work in tennis right now, with zero chance of being caught (not slightly surprising to anyone familiar with the topic, btw).
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Old 11-22-2011, 02:22 AM   #108
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Toni Nadal on Noah's verbal turd:

http://www.elmundo.es/elmundodeporte...781965&numero=

"Evildoers always think the worst of others. Im shocked that someone of doubtful integrity dares to accuse Spanish sportpeople. I totally don't understand."

"Im not calling him Sir because someone talking like that isn't one. If he approaches my nephew to greet I expect Rafa to tell him politely what he thinks of him"

"Xavi, Iniesta, Ramos or Casillas among others are obviously very clean and they are world champs. Im sure David Ferrer takes nothing and I know that Rafa has never in his life taken anything"

"It isn't merely envy but also sheer rashness. You may be envious of someone but then at least keep it to yourself. It's very wrong for him to talk like that, I've been told many stories about him. It's weird that someone of doubtful credentials allows himself to cast doubts on others."

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Toni Nadal on Noah's verbal turd:

http://www.elmundo.es/elmundodeporte...781965&numero=

"Evildoers always think the worst of others. Im shocked that someone of doubtful integrity dares to accuse Spanish sportpeople"
at the obvious contradiction in those 2 sentences. can't believe some nadaltards actually admire this man for his alleged wisdom and intelligence. dude is a mug coach.
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May I please have an explanation for the 2 deleted posts of mine on this thread (1 yesterday and 1 this morning). I'd be very much obliged.

In the second one I did even accused anybody of doping.

And I really don't have time to post so much, so please a quick reply and it's all over ...

And no deletion, for Christ's sake ...
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mine deleted as well

probably El Whitlero
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there are bad spirits amongst us. that's the only reason i can think of to explain the massive dissapeareance of my posts at times
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Old 11-22-2011, 02:01 PM   #113
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Christophe Rochus comments on Noah's comments (in Wallonian).

http://www.lanouvellegazette.be/spor...e-919182.shtml

Anybody out there that can translate Wallonian ?
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Old 11-22-2011, 02:04 PM   #114
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Some others who agree with Noah :


- Dr. Jean Pierre Modenard.

“We can’t actually say he’s wrong on this point, because we have similar suspicions about Spanish athletes,”

Of course, he is just another "jealous Frenchman".


- Travis Tygart (Head of US anti doping agency).

Tygart says the performances of athletes from Jamaica, Russia and Spain are compromised because drug testing in those countries is not stringent enough and does not involve out-of-competition and no-notice testing, or tests for EPO and human growth hormone.

Of course he is American, and "Americans are a bunch of dopers and shouldn't lecture others about it".


- Pat McQuaid (head of UCI - Cycling's equivalent of the ITF).
"There is a problem in Spain because ... a large percentage of our doping cases come from Spain. There doesn't seem to be, so far, the will to tackle that in Spain and that really needs to come from the government down."

Of course it is "just a cycling problem".

-Pat McQuaid (UCI again)
UCI president Pat McQuaid has explained that the political pressure exerted on the Spanish Cycling Federation during its deliberations on the Alberto Contador Clenbuterol case compelled the UCI to appeal the matter to the Court of Arbitration for Sport in order to ensure a fair and credible outcome.

Of course he is just "another drunk Irishman".




- We can ignore them if "they are just fans, they don't know what is going on inside".
- They are "just journalists, journalists are stupid".
- They have a "chip on their shoulder".
- They are "just jealous Frenchmen".
- They "smoke pot, and are stoned".
- They are "crazy conspiracy theorists".
- It's "just cycling".
- They "all do it".
- He's "just a bitter Fedtard".
- "I am smart, and the accusers are stupid".

These are all just ways humans dismiss what they don't want to believe.

It's spelled D.E.N.I.A.L, not D.E.N.I.L.E.

There is a massive circumstantial case against Spain (my postings of these have been deleted here).

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Old 11-22-2011, 02:21 PM   #115
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Christophe Rochus comments on Noah's comments (in Wallonian).

http://www.lanouvellegazette.be/spor...e-919182.shtml

Anybody out there that can translate Wallonian ?
Not worth it.

Christophe Rochus is known for having a major chip on his shoulder and as a result, talking without thinking things through.


Example:
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Il n'y a pas que les Espagnols qui font du sport de haut niveau. Et pourquoi sont-ils subitement tous devant aujourd'hui?
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Not only Spaniards do sports on a high level. And why are they suddenly at the top today?
This is utter rubbish.

It's not sudden. I have no idea why a person with more than two active braincells and the ability to do some research would say that.
Spaniards are not at the top in all sports.

Other than that, Rochus does not totally back Noah up.
Noah wants to legalise all doping.
Rochus doesn't because he considers it a great risk to the health of athletes.

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Old 11-23-2011, 04:22 PM   #116
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The trial against Eufemiano Fuentes and other six people accused in the Operacion Puerto case is about to begin.

Yes, in Spain. Yes, in a Spanish court.



But whatever.
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The methods and drugs used by Armstrong in 1999 would work in tennis right now, with zero chance of being caught (not slightly surprising to anyone familiar with the topic, btw).
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Number of spanish medals at the Olympics:

-1900: 1
-1904: n/a
-1908: n/a
-1912: n/a
-1920: 2
-1924: 0
-1928: 1
-1932: 1
-1936: n/a
-1948: 1
-1952: 1
-1956: n/a
-1960: 1
-1964: 0
-1968: 0
-1972: 1
-1976: 2
-1980: 6 (Boycotted Olympics, medal numbers inflated)
-1984: 5 (Boycotted Olympics, medal numbers inflated)
-1988: 4

"I know what happened at Barcelona '92 and I'm a Pandora's Box that, if opened one day, could bring down sport,"

-1992: 22
-1996: 17
-2000: 11
-2004: 19
-2008: 18

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Old 12-13-2011, 10:12 AM   #118
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Thank you Yannick. Always admired the guy
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people should simply read up on barcelona 1992 and its ramifications. this is getting more tedious by the day.
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