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Old 11-20-2011, 10:03 PM   #91
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it's more stupid to feel that you have to apologize over the comments of someone you have nothing in common with, except the nationality.
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it's more stupid to feel that you have to apologize over the comments of someone you have nothing in common with, except the nationality.
Sometimes we are embarrassed for our countrymen. I know I have that feeling many times.

I think he wanted to clarify that he didn’t share Noah’s sentiments. That’s all. I mean sometimes saying “I’m sorry “ about such and such isn’t actually an apology, but rather a commiseration. Such as, I’m sorry about your relative’s death, etc.
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noah is saying what every true tennis fan alredy knew. i've been saying the same thing for ages and all i've gotten are bans by the clownish moderation board because of the insane stupid rules of the current legal system of MTF.

kudos to noah for denouncing this sham in spite of the pressure, corruption and extortions he must have received to keep his mouth shut. we need more people like him

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Wrong!

http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/archive.../distance.html

Just having a quick look, Ghana, USA, Japan, Australia, Portugal... all of them ran more metres per games played than Spain, despite some of them not even playing extra time!
My humble apoligies. I must have shut down my brain for a moment there.
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Noah's son is an amazing center for the NBA.

But onto the discussion, hopefully the Spanish and French, can stop pointing fingers at each other.
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Exclamation The Associated Press: Rafael Nadal upset at Yannick Noah

Rafael Nadal thinks Yannick Noah should be banned from commenting in the media after the French tennis great wrote a newspaper column accusing Spanish athletes of widespread doping.

Nadal reacted angrily Sunday when asked about Noah's claim in Saturday's edition of Le Monde newspaper that French athletes no longer had a chance against their Spanish opponents because they "don't have the magic potion."

"This guy deserve not (to) write anymore in the newspaper," Nadal said. "What he said is completely stupid."

Nadal, speaking at the ATP World Tour Finals, added that Noah's remarks were "totally stupid" because of the amount of doping tests conducted on athletes throughout the season.

He said Noah's thoughts were like those of a "kid."

Fellow Spaniard David Ferrer, who is competing with Nadal at the ATP finals, also condemned Noah's comments, as have Barcelona soccer coach Pep Guardiola and French Minister for Sports David Douillet.

Noah, the 1983 French Open champion, suggested that Spanish athletes were consistently more well-built than their French rivals and said they must be doping -- without offering any other proof.

"How can a country (Spain) dominate sport from one day to the next?" Noah asked. "Had they discovered avant-garde training techniques and methods that no one else imagined?"

Noah even proposed the idea that the French authorities should relax their rules on doping in order to keep up.

Nadal, a 10-time Grand Slam champion, said Noah's comments reflected badly on the former tennis star's home country, not Spain.

"The image of the country when one guy, important guy like him, say that, is terrible."

The Associated Press
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Cleo, maybe you should put this in this thread

http://www.menstennisforums.com/show...=193018&page=8
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Default Yannick Noah: Spain success is due to doping

France's Noah: Doping Expose or a Dope? Nadal Says Dope
By Nick Georgandis

(November 20, 2011) France's Yannick Noah, the 1983 Wimbledon winner, has remained strongly in the public eye long past his playing days because of his music career and his charitable work.

Now 51, Noah is back in the spotlight following his interview Saturday in which he theorized that the success of Spain's contingency on the ATP tour is due to doping.

Noah knows more than a little something about drugs, having admitted to using marijuana himself before taking the court in 1981. In the time since, he has said that amphetamines are a top problem in the game, since they can be used as performance enhancers.

Noah told French newspaper Le Monde that players from his native France can't compete with the Spanish because the French have more strict testing.

"How can a country dominate (the) sport from one day to the next?" Noah asked in the interview. "Had they discovered avant-garde training techniques and methods that no one else imagined?"

Spain currently has 13 players ranked in the Top 100, including six in the top 30. Spain's population is a little more than 46 million. By contrast, Noah's homeland of France has 11 players ranked in the Top 100 and four in the Top 30 with a population of 65 million.

Ironically, Noah's solution isn't that Spain should have more stringent testing, but that France should loosen up.

"If you don't have the magic potion, it's difficult to win,'' he said.

He said the buzz in sports circles was that the only way to win was to stay one step ahead of the capabilities of the anti-doping tests.

"We're not being treated in the same way as the majority of our adversaries from other countries,'' he said. "The best attitude to adopt is to accept doping. And then everyone will have the magic potion.''

Noah might know a thing or two about doping, but that comment makes him look like an expert on being a dope.

Anyone in the position of celebrity should have enough common sense to avoid making comments like these in public, particularly when they are a role model for children who would like to grow up to be professional athletes.

France's Minister for Sports, David Douillet, was quick to strike out against Noah's comments.

"What are we saying in reality when we want to institutionalize doping? We imagine that our children will die at 40 or that 12-year-old kids will take pills in the locker room, that's what that means,'' Douillet said on France 2 television.

Noah did not elaborate on what sort of doping the Spaniards are supposedly involved in, but of the 26 more famous cases of doping in the sport's modern history - three involve Spaniards, albeit two of them women.

At the ATP-World Tour Finals, Rafael Nadal made comments about Noah's accusations, "What's can I say? That's going to be difficult to explain what I feel in English. This guy deserve not write anymore in the newspaper, you know. What he said is completely stupid and he knows better than nobody. Say that today is a totally stupid thing because you know how many anti doping controls we are having during all the season year by year. So, in my opinion, his article, what he writed, was from a kid. And when one kid say something, is not painful for us. So that's what I feel. I don't know how to say in English, but especially I think that's worst for French, for France. Is worst for his country than for our country, in my opinion, because the image of the country when one guy, important guy like him, say that, is terrible."

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Old 11-21-2011, 06:41 AM   #100
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Updated: November 20, 2011, 10:18 PM ET
Rafael Nadal upset at Yannick Noah



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LONDON -- Rafael Nadal thinks Yannick Noah should be banned from commenting in the media after the French tennis great wrote a newspaper column accusing Spanish athletes of widespread doping.

Nadal reacted angrily Sunday when asked about Noah's claim in Saturday's edition of Le Monde newspaper that French athletes no longer had a chance against their Spanish opponents because they "don't have the magic potion."

"This guy deserve not (to) write anymore in the newspaper," Nadal said. "What he said is completely stupid."

Nadal, speaking at the ATP World Tour Finals, added that Noah's remarks were "totally stupid" because of the amount of doping tests conducted on athletes throughout the season.

He said Noah's thoughts were like those of a "kid."

Fellow Spaniard David Ferrer, who is competing with Nadal at the ATP finals, also condemned Noah's comments, as have Barcelona soccer coach Pep Guardiola and French Minister for Sports David Douillet.

Noah, the 1983 French Open champion, suggested that Spanish athletes were consistently more well-built than their French rivals and said they must be doping -- without offering any other proof.

"How can a country (Spain) dominate sport from one day to the next?" Noah asked. "Had they discovered avant-garde training techniques and methods that no one else imagined?"

Noah even proposed the idea that the French authorities should relax their rules on doping in order to keep up.

Nadal, a 10-time Grand Slam champion, said Noah's comments reflected badly on the former tennis star's home country, not Spain.

"The image of the country when one guy, important guy like him, say that, is terrible."


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To be honest, he's telling exactly what many people think. And many wonder how something like "Operation Puerto" has been simply buried. This can only make people more suspicious rightly or wrongly.

Sudden massive success from a country in the past has always ended tainted with proof of a doping system (Communist countries, USA). Even France had one at some point.

What is funny though is that most spanish anwsers are "we work more". But doping is essentially used to be able to "work more" nowadays (longer and harder trainings, faster recovery time, etc...). I suggest them to use a different answer

Regarding sports, I don't think that spanish footballers are more doped than any other. Sport is too globalized now and doping is probably done at club level essentially. Tennis, I don't know. Basket, I'm not a specialist.
But spanish cycling is for me a dead cert. No success at all in Tdf (not even close unless you go back to Bahamontes) until the arrival of EPO in the 90s and since that, they win it pretty much every year with many different athletes. Too good to be true IMO.
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Just because many think in a specific way, that doesn't make it a fact either.
What a majority believes is not always the truth.

Doping is an international problem. To point at one country in such a sweeping way with nothing but suspicions and "I'm not alone in thinking that" is wrong.

Doping in cycling is a problem in many countries. Not just Spain. One of the biggest cycling doping scandals was a French case and one of the main culprits was still seen as a hero by many afterwards (Virenque).

If Noah wanted to make a case for legalising doping, he would have been smart to stay away from pointing fingers across the border because he dragged the discussion down to dirty tabloid level.

Furthermore, the success in Spain is not sudden and it's not in every sport either.
For example, the Olympics 2008, number of medals by country:
France has the 10th spot in that ranking. Spain 15th.

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to pick at the whole country of Spain for doping is absolutely ridiculous for anyone including Yannick, if you want to tell people to stop doping dont start pointing fingers at one particular country, he needs to think before he judges another one country for doping or anything
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to pick at the whole country of Spain for doping is absolutely ridiculous for anyone including Yannick, if you want to tell people to stop doping dont start pointing fingers at one particular country, he needs to think before he judges another one country for doping or anything
Maybe he needed to just think first. Many open their mouths way to wide for their foot to fit. He isn't alone. Happens on MTF all the time
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Maybe he needed to just think first. Many open their mouths way to wide for their foot to fit. He isn't alone. Happens on MTF all the time
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