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Old 11-19-2011, 11:07 PM   #46
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Old 11-19-2011, 11:12 PM   #47
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noah should read up on barcelona 92 and what the whole olympic adventure on home soil has created over the past two decades. i've never understood people looking for any secret ingredients in spain's success. has there ever been a more logical boom in sports than down there? when you plant seeds, one day you're gonna harvest, it's that easy.
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Old 11-19-2011, 11:23 PM   #49
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btw, didn't the rastaman admit long time ago that he used to smoke ganja prior to tennis matches?
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Pretty surprised he has said something like this, especially without offering any real proof or evidence
No proof? Noah speaks in his article about "operacion Puerto". The doctor that got convicted for helping cyclists dope had this to say in 2006.

"FERNANDO LLAMAS

MADRID.- El médico deportivo Eufemiano Fuentes, principal encausado en la 'operación Puerto' contra el dopaje, promete "desmantelar tramas de hipócritas". Reconoce que los tratamientos que receta a los ciclistas son idénticos a los que ofrece o recomienda a equipos de fútbol, tenistas y atletas."

Otros deportes: "Habrán salido nombres de ciclistas, pero de otros deportes también, como el atletismo, el tenis o el fútbol, por decirte algunos deportes. Esos tratamientos [a equipos de fútbol], si no los he hecho los he recomendado. Me refiero a tratamientos para la ayuda a la recuperación, tratamientos biológicos para mejorar el rendimiento deportivo. Funcionan. Por supuesto que he tratado equipos de fútbol. De Primera División y de Segunda. Esos tratamientos para mejorar el rendimiento normalmente funcionan."
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The craziest part of Noah's article has been overlooked though... his call for total legislation of doping. Yeah baby!
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The methods and drugs used by Armstrong in 1999 would work in tennis right now, with zero chance of being caught (not slightly surprising to anyone familiar with the topic, btw).
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Default Re: Yannick Noah suspects Spain's success a fraud.

His arguments have enough loopholes so I don't think one needs to resort to personal insults.

He raises a question of Spain's overnight success and dominance in so many sports. This is the hard question to answer because the point seems valid at first glance. However, note that he doesn't have any proof, and therefore refuses to accuse specific player(s).

Secondly, to allow doping is a stupid suggestion. If the Spanish are doping, the solution is to stop them from doing so, not allowing others to dope.
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The craziest part of Noah's article has been overlooked though... his call for total legislation of doping. Yeah baby!
it is very easy after you roll a doob and have a choof innit... i don't know why it is so taboo either... i've been one of the strongest supporters of the mooted parallel Steroid League tour for some time... *exhale*... ahhh... clarity...
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He raises a question of Spain's overnight success and dominance in so many sports. This is the hard question to answer because the point seems valid at first glance.
actually it doesn't. at all. it's been a progress over a certain amount of time, ranging from the early 90s leading up to the current domination. the only thing spain did was tapping into its vast human recources as a country with a huge affinity towards sports and combine it with up-to-date concepts how to develop infrastructure and training grounds. add the that a nearly perfect climate for outdoor activities and off you go. it was out in the open, literally. no secrets whatsoever, no "overnight" success.
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This is another topic, but Pereiro is of course right in denouncing the double standards in doping.

Cycling is the bete noir of sports because of its doping reputation. Surely it was well deserved in the first place, but f*s, in most of the recent years there were more doping controls made in cycling than in all other main sports together. And let's not even talk about the quality of the controls... blood testing is standard in any cycling race, but rare in any other sport.

The OP took down prominent cyclists like Jan Ullrich, Ivan Basso, Alejandro Valverde, Michele Scarponi, etc. But cyclists were just a small number of the sportsmen named. What happened to the other ones?? If we go by the list of cyclists, they wouldn't all be Spanish. So who covered it up? Who silenced the whole thing?

If you're going to claim cycling is the dirtiest sport of all, then test all other sports like you test cycling. Then, sheer numbers will talk. Until then, no one can make a fair assessment.
And yet, you wish to destroy all blood testing by not punishing HES-cheaters.
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Default Re: Yannick Noah suspects Spain's success a fraud.

I'd like to call attention to my outstanding GM-thread, 'A short history of drugs in tennis', featuring amazing information that I competently borrowed from others.

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=168510
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There's already a big thread on doping in GM. Use the search function.
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Default Re: Whoa! Noah accuses Spanish armada of doping

Ferrer's retort is a fair point ....... except tennis basically has no anti-doping controls either, when you look at the details.

So many comically large loopholes, completely useless out-of-competition testing that a child could evade, dependent on useless urine testing rather than blood/hair, almost no EPO testing at all, no HGH testing, etc etc etc.


Noah also is correct about Fuentes. The guy was treating countless top Spanish athletes - for example, Le Monde has the list of the entire Barcelona team and what drugs they were on (he also treated tennis players btw). What happened to the whole thing? Buried. Never seen again.
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Who the hell is Noah and why should anyone give a fuck what he thinks?
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