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Old 11-19-2011, 07:24 PM   #31
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Old 11-19-2011, 07:36 PM   #32
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''adding the only way to level the playing field would be to allow everyone to use banned drugs.''

''“How can a country (Spain) dominate sport from one day to the next?”

Sounds like he's trolling or something.

I think we've finally found a bigger clown that Saepoed
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Pretty surprised he has said something like this, especially without offering any real proof or evidence
He might have been on a little too much C2H5OH, me thinks.
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Yannik Noah says that Spain's athletes are "protected" by the Spanish authorities, leading to more doping by Spanish athletes than other countries (yes, we know, the politically correct response is "they all do it").


http://www.deltaworld.org/sport/Yann...thletes-dopan/
noah is saying what every true tennis fan alredy knew. i've been saying the same thing for ages and all i've gotten are bans by the clownish moderation board because of the insane stupid rules of the current legal system of MTF.

kudos to noah for denouncing this sham in spite of the pressure, corruption and extortions he must have received to keep his mouth shut. we need more people like him
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He might have been on a little too much C2H5OH, me thinks.
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one thing to take note of:

if noah was a MTF poster, he'd been banned on the spot. that tells a lot about the mugginess of the rules we have on this place
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I understand what that means. It means Mosquera was hiding EPO with that masking agent, just like his teammate Da Pena who, unlike Mosquera, tested positive for EPO.

What I was saying is that the Spanish federation is not consistent in their decisions (like most of them anyway) and that Mosquera tested positive for a substance that doesn't necessarily carry a full suspension. In fact, Oscar Sevilla tested positive for the same substance and was banned for... 6 months!

Now off you go into my ignore list again, Miss conspiracy theorist .
Using a masking agent for blood doping should of course be treated as blood doping.

Mosquera fully deserved a 2-year ban, regardless of Sevilla's sentence. Two wrongs don't make a right!

What you call "conspiracy theories" are documented facts, corroborating witness testimonies and information from mainstream sources and highly credible sources (FBI reports, NYPD reports, 1500 architects & engineers, former CIA/FBI agents/officers/directors, world authorities on anthrax, DoD reports, the Project for the New American Century, the Office for Special Plans, pulitzer-prize winning journalists, the MSM, etc).
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not sure about all the other spanish sports, but in regards to tennis the magic is in the simple numbers... massive playing population which does not celebrate junior success and/or mediocrity coupled with computer point gaining potential at senior level pretty much every playing week of the year...

there is no secret except for how raw and brutal it is to stick your nose above water... survival of the fittest in a jungle of many... very, very simple... a brutal culture indeed...
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It's not like he's the only one

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Football players are applauded for doping, while cyclists are censured for it, Tour de France winner Oscar Pereiro claimed on Spanish television. The discussion grew heated as Pereiro named names of football players he claimed have doped.

Appearing on the show “Punto Pelota”, Pereiro said, “Giovanella tested positive, Gurpegui, Guardiola ... And all are because they take an energy complex. If a cyclist takes it, he has doped. Everyone at San Mamés, Balaidos, Barcelona shouts 'innocent' and I have to put on a mask to walk down the street. "

When asked about Operación Puerto, he answered that "Zidane has admitted that he had a blood transfusion in Switzerland to regenerate his body. In cycling that is [a doping] positive."

The problem, he summarized, is that it is often seen that the cyclist is done but the football player “is fighting for his club colors".

Pereiro said that he hopes that one day Eufemiano Fuentes, the point man of Operación Puerto will “hopefully one day have the courage to tell everything he knows. In Operación Puerto there were a lot of blood bags labelled European Championships, which doesn't exist in [pro men's] cycling.”

Cycling is not perfect, he conceded. "In my sport we have made fifty thousand mistakes, we are fools. That cannot be hidden". Still, at least cycling is active in the anti-doping fight, as the riders cyclists spend "10% of their salary to the fight against doping, but athletes in other sports do not."
Barcelona coached by a convicted doper.
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Big surprise that someone of the stature of Noah is accusing the Spanish of using the "magic potion" without any evidence. This is gonna get interesting in London as all the players will surely be questioned about it.

http://www.tennis.com/articles/templ...5151&zoneid=25
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He also said he's in favor of legalizing doping as a result. Pretty crazy if you ask me.
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Moya said it was an unbelievable accusation.

I'm not sure how long this thread will last here.
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Spanish tennis player David Ferrer reacted, telling DPA: "Your son [Joakim Noah of the Chicago Bulls] plays in the NBA, where there are no doping controls. This is not the best person to talk, I think it’s total ignorance
Classic stuff from this spanish SOB. When you don't have anything to say just make an ad hominem attack.
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As untrue as it probably is, I love how he's made the fanboys and fangirls squirm and cry
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Default Re: Yannick Noah suspects Spain's success a fraud.

This is another topic, but Pereiro is of course right in denouncing the double standards in doping.

Cycling is the bete noir of sports because of its doping reputation. Surely it was well deserved in the first place, but ffs, in most of the recent years there were more doping controls made in cycling than in all other main sports together. And let's not even talk about the quality of the controls... blood testing is standard in any cycling race, but rare in any other sport.

The OP took down prominent cyclists like Jan Ullrich, Ivan Basso, Alejandro Valverde, Michele Scarponi, etc. But cyclists were just a small number of the sportsmen named. What happened to the other ones?? If we go by the list of cyclists, they wouldn't all be Spanish. So who covered it up? Who silenced the whole thing?

If you're going to claim cycling is the dirtiest sport of all, then test all other sports like you test cycling. Then, sheer numbers will talk. Until then, no one can make a fair assessment.
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