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Old 11-22-2011, 01:29 AM   #106
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I don't know how anyone can cheer this graceless thug. He can't give his opponents any credit, yet wins an award for sportsmanship? What a joke.
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The players and fans vote for it. End of discussion. If you're a Novak stan or a Muzz stan, I'm sure neither of your players voted for Fed. Fed won anyway, and the fan favorite award too.

I can understand your grievances against Fed, but I'm not sure that depreciates the value of his Sportsmanship Award to the extent that you imply it does. Are you then implying that Novak should win the award for sportsmanship? After retiring three points from defeat in a match he clearly stated he was capable of completing? Are you implying Muzz should have won the award, with his regular obscenity-strewn temper? Or Rafa, who has faced complaints about his time between serves and a couple of his MTOs?

I'm not implying each player is a bad sport and some of these issues are controversial (time, MTOs), with each side having valid points. My point is that Fed is no more flawed than any of your respective players. You can wax on for hours about how XYZ would "never say this about an opponent," but on-court conduct also speaks volumes about the way your opponents will perceive you. On court this year, Fed played his matches with minimal fuss and not too many stand-out incidents--he plays at a quick pace, he doesn't retire from matches (strategically or non-strategically), and he's rarely mouthed off at himself or others.

A perfect composite of the winner of the sportsmanship award would have Fed's on-court manners, Novak's graciousness as a loser, and Rafa's ability to give credit to his opponents. Fed may lack the third, Rafa may lack the second, and Novak/Rafa may lack the first. If Novak had won sportsmanship, people'd be talking about how ridiculous it is for him to receive the award, after retiring three points from defeat in Cincinnati. And so on and so forth.

You know the award is voted by the players, you know that even if Qureshi seems like a lock-in for the award, that the "popularity-based" nature of the award also renders his candidacy an unlikely proposal. So stop with the bitter sniping and the clawing and the passive-aggressive praising of other players as a means to attack the one you're really angry about. Stop and do give a thought to what attributes Fed brings with him to the court. 2011 may be the last year he wins the award, but he's won it 6-7 times now and he's won the Fan Favorite 9 times. There's no way you can dismiss those basic facts. Each time, the players and fans voted for him. Either hold your own private vote and pity-party, or quiet down on the sniping front.
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The players and fans vote for it. End of discussion. If you're a Novak stan or a Muzz stan, I'm sure neither of your players voted for Fed. Fed won anyway, and the fan favorite award too.

I can understand your grievances against Fed, but I'm not sure that depreciates the value of his Sportsmanship Award to the extent that you imply it does. Are you then implying that Novak should win the award for sportsmanship? After retiring three points from defeat in a match he clearly stated he was capable of completing? Are you implying Muzz should have won the award, with his regular obscenity-strewn temper? Or Rafa, who has faced complaints about his time between serves and a couple of his MTOs?

I'm not implying each player is a bad sport and some of these issues are controversial (time, MTOs), with each side having valid points. My point is that Fed is no more flawed than any of your respective players. You can wax on for hours about how XYZ would "never say this about an opponent," but on-court conduct also speaks volumes about the way your opponents will perceive you. On court this year, Fed played his matches with minimal fuss and not too many stand-out incidents--he plays at a quick pace, he doesn't retire from matches (strategically or non-strategically), and he's rarely mouthed off at himself or others.

A perfect composite of the winner of the sportsmanship award would have Fed's on-court manners, Novak's graciousness as a loser, and Rafa's ability to give credit to his opponents. Fed may lack the third, Rafa may lack the second, and Novak/Rafa may lack the first. If Novak had won sportsmanship, people'd be talking about how ridiculous it is for him to receive the award, after retiring three points from defeat in Cincinnati. And so on and so forth.

You know the award is voted by the players, you know that even if Qureshi seems like a lock-in for the award, that the "popularity-based" nature of the award also renders his candidacy an unlikely proposal. So stop with the bitter sniping and the clawing and the passive-aggressive praising of other players as a means to attack the one you're really angry about. Stop and do give a thought to what attributes Fed brings with him to the court. 2011 may be the last year he wins the award, but he's won it 6-7 times now and he's won the Fan Favorite 9 times. There's no way you can dismiss those basic facts. Each time, the players and fans voted for him. Either hold your own private vote and pity-party, or quiet down on the sniping front.
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I don't know how anyone can cheer this graceless thug. He can't give his opponents any credit, yet wins an award for sportsmanship? What a joke.
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We'll see when Nole is already 30 yo old man, see if by then he will have won 16 slams, 5 YEC, 237 consecutive weeks as #1, Stefan Edberg's sportsmanship award for 7th consecutive year, and Fan's favorite award for 9th consecutive year.
We'll also see if Nole will be able to get to Slams final and win Master by the time he is 30.
But in the decline thread, doing this at 30-years-old doesn't mean shit Why are you making a big deal about it in THIS thread? Oh damn, I forgot. Right now, it's convenient.
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The players and fans vote for it. End of discussion. If you're a Novak stan or a Muzz stan, I'm sure neither of your players voted for Fed. Fed won anyway, and the fan favorite award too.

I can understand your grievances against Fed, but I'm not sure that depreciates the value of his Sportsmanship Award to the extent that you imply it does. Are you then implying that Novak should win the award for sportsmanship? After retiring three points from defeat in a match he clearly stated he was capable of completing? Are you implying Muzz should have won the award, with his regular obscenity-strewn temper? Or Rafa, who has faced complaints about his time between serves and a couple of his MTOs?

I'm not implying each player is a bad sport and some of these issues are controversial (time, MTOs), with each side having valid points. My point is that Fed is no more flawed than any of your respective players. You can wax on for hours about how XYZ would "never say this about an opponent," but on-court conduct also speaks volumes about the way your opponents will perceive you. On court this year, Fed played his matches with minimal fuss and not too many stand-out incidents--he plays at a quick pace, he doesn't retire from matches (strategically or non-strategically), and he's rarely mouthed off at himself or others.

A perfect composite of the winner of the sportsmanship award would have Fed's on-court manners, Novak's graciousness as a loser, and Rafa's ability to give credit to his opponents. Fed may lack the third, Rafa may lack the second, and Novak/Rafa may lack the first. If Novak had won sportsmanship, people'd be talking about how ridiculous it is for him to receive the award, after retiring three points from defeat in Cincinnati. And so on and so forth.

You know the award is voted by the players, you know that even if Qureshi seems like a lock-in for the award, that the "popularity-based" nature of the award also renders his candidacy an unlikely proposal. So stop with the bitter sniping and the clawing and the passive-aggressive praising of other players as a means to attack the one you're really angry about. Stop and do give a thought to what attributes Fed brings with him to the court. 2011 may be the last year he wins the award, but he's won it 6-7 times now and he's won the Fan Favorite 9 times. There's no way you can dismiss those basic facts. Each time, the players and fans voted for him. Either hold your own private vote and pity-party, or quiet down on the sniping front.
What a load of bullshit. Fed isn't a good sport because he snipes at players in interviews and tries to detract from their victories and accomplishments. Qureshi or some other player outside of the top 4, that actually displayed a modicum of good sportsmanship. Ferrer or Isner or Nishikori or almost anyone would have been better.
"So stop with the bitter sniping and the clawing and the passive-aggressive praising" Maybe you should tell Mr. Sportsmanship that!

Seriously, every player has fans that make absurd arguments and down other players to support their own favorite. Federer is the only top player to stoop to the level of his tards in interviews.
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I don't know how anyone can cheer this graceless thug. He can't give his opponents any credit, yet wins an award for sportsmanship? What a joke.
his opponents don't seem to mind, as they voted for him
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What a load of bullshit. Fed isn't a good sport because he snipes at players in interviews and tries to detract from their victories and accomplishments. Qureshi or some other player outside of the top 4, that actually displayed a modicum of good sportsmanship. Ferrer or Isner or Nishikori or almost anyone would have been better.
"So stop with the bitter sniping and the clawing and the passive-aggressive praising" Maybe you should tell Mr. Sportsmanship that!

Seriously, every player has fans that make absurd arguments and down other players to support their own favorite. Federer is the only top player to stoop to the level of his tards in interviews.
A lot of Federer fans (including myself) will agree with you that players like Ferrer, Isner and Nishikori deserves this award more than Federer but it is somewhat a popularity contest and it's honestly mostly a contest between the top players. And between the three most popular players in the world, there is no clear cut case you can make that Djokovic deserves it more than Federer or Nadal deserves it more than Djokovic, and so on and so forth. Because all three players have their faults which is what fifthsetshootout have said.

Mostly, I think SE award is for fair play and as Federer never retires from matches, and I can't even remember the last time Federer asked for an MTO, he doesn't do time delaying tactics - he is considered a fair sportsman on court where it matters the most. Maybe his post match conferences comments leave a lot to be desired, but on court he is a sportsman and I guess in the end, that's what won him this award.
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What a load of bullshit. Fed isn't a good sport because he snipes at players in interviews and tries to detract from their victories and accomplishments. Qureshi or some other player outside of the top 4, that actually displayed a modicum of good sportsmanship. Ferrer or Isner or Nishikori or almost anyone would have been better.
"So stop with the bitter sniping and the clawing and the passive-aggressive praising" Maybe you should tell Mr. Sportsmanship that!

Seriously, every player has fans that make absurd arguments and down other players to support their own favorite. Federer is the only top player to stoop to the level of his tards in interviews.
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Web definitions: fairness in following the rules of the game.

Anyone who's followed tennis cannot seriously argue that Fed has not been fair in following the rules of the game. In this sense, he fully deserves the award. Is he the only ATP player to exhibit fair play? Obviously not. But compared to Nole and Nadal, he's more deserving. And it's not his fault that more players voted for him than for Qureshi. It's also not his fault that Ferrer, Isner and Nishikori weren't nominated.

Seems to me like you're just bitter that most of whatever Roger's said about Murray has been nothing but the truth. Could he have reined in his criticisms a bit? Sure, he could have. But you can't deny that most of his criticisms have been spot on. You also can't deny that, as far as on-court behaviour and respecting the rules of the game go, Roger's one of the most impeccable players to have ever played the sport.
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A lot of Federer fans (including myself) will agree with you that players like Ferrer, Isner and Nishikori deserves this award more than Federer but it is somewhat a popularity contest and it's honestly mostly a contest between the top players. And between the three most popular players in the world, there is no clear cut case you can make that Djokovic deserves it more than Federer or Nadal deserves it more than Djokovic, and so on and so forth. Because all three players have their faults which is what fifthsetshootout have said.

Mostly, I think SE award is for fair play and as Federer never retires from matches, and I can't even remember the last time Federer asked for an MTO, he doesn't do time delaying tactics - he is considered a fair sportsman on court where it matters the most. Maybe his post match conferences comments leave a lot to be desired, but on court he is a sportsman and I guess in the end, that's what won him this award.
It's a popularity contest pure and simple, if not then Nieminen would have been nominated beforehand.

He took a toilet break to disrupt Davydenko's rhythm at the AO which he admitted, the sportsmanship award winner shouldn't be doing that.
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It's a popularity contest pure and simple, if not then Nieminen would have been nominated beforehand.

He took a toilet break to disrupt Davydenko's rhythm at the AO which he admitted, the sportsmanship award winner shouldn't be doing that.
That toilet break was AO'10 and he didn't win SE award for 2010, did he?

Anyway, it is a popularity contest first and foremost. But also, Federer didn't do anything suspicious or dubious this year on the courts as far as I can remember anyway.
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Nadal won it in 2010 and he did a lot of things last year which the recipient shouldn't be doing, most of which (if not all) Roger has never done.
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