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Old 01-23-2013, 02:37 PM   #106
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Obviously, you either can't read, you're blind or not very smart.
He did expressed views(in bold) and he heard them from anti Serb western media.Why didn't he ask himself do young Bosnian/Croat poster think genocide/ethnic cleansing is no big deal?Does he know about Naser Orlic and what he did to Serbs before Srebrenica or has he heard about Oluja(classic case of ethnic cleansing done by Croats)?Does he know about death camp for Serbs,Jews and Gipsies called Jasenovac from WWII held by NDH(Independent State of Croatia) a fascist state who was Hitler's alllies?
Like I said, be informed(from the right sources)educate yourself and than express views.
I did not hear them from Western media. A Serbian poster in General Messages said Srebrenica was no big deal, and that the UN/US were lying when they reported that Serbs were responsible for 90% of atrocities during the war. I came here to see if that was a common view held by Serbs.

Time Violation and ssin have been very helpful and provided me with some frank, educational answers. They corrected a couple of perceptions I had, gave me their own personal perspectives on the matter without insulting me for my ignorance, and actually interested me in finding out a bit more about the topic.

I wish I could say the same about you and Mr Oracle, who assumed I am too biased or too ignorant to understand.
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Old 01-23-2013, 03:40 PM   #107
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I did not hear them from Western media. A Serbian poster in General Messages said Srebrenica was no big deal, and that the UN/US were lying when they reported that Serbs were responsible for 90% of atrocities during the war. I came here to see if that was a common view held by Serbs.

Time Violation and ssin have been very helpful and provided me with some frank, educational answers. They corrected a couple of perceptions I had, gave me their own personal perspectives on the matter without insulting me for my ignorance, and actually interested me in finding out a bit more about the topic.

I wish I could say the same about you and Mr Oracle, who assumed I am too biased or too ignorant to understand.
They were lying.
I did the same but, but you didn't like what I said(the truth).
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Old 01-23-2013, 04:00 PM   #108
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I wish I could say the same about you and Mr Oracle, who assumed I am too biased or too ignorant to understand.
Mr Oracle is an expat if I am not mistaken, and one usually takes expats' opinion with a grain of salt. In case of expats who left Serbia 20+ years ago, the grain may be the size of a small car
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^ Expats and diaspora folk indeed tend to have more extreme opinions on this issue. As a diaspora kid myself, I agree with what ssin and Time Violation said.
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Like I said, be informed(from the right sources)educate yourself and than express views.
Anyone who can write a sentence like that is not worth my time.
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Old 01-23-2013, 06:46 PM   #111
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Anyone who can write a sentence like that is not worth my time.
Get off your high horse clown.You're just a hateful mug.
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lol, BH banned. what did he do this time?
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lol, BH banned. what did he do this time?
He did a bit of trolling here, somebody probably took it the wrong way and reported. It was totally uncalled for/didn't contribute anything to the thread, but probably didn't need to be banned either, simply cleaning up the thread of spam would suffice.
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He did a bit of trolling here, somebody probably took it the wrong way and reported. It was totally uncalled for/didn't contribute anything to the thread, but probably didn't need to be banned either, simply cleaning up the thread of spam would suffice.
That's too reasonable for MTF moderators.
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They were lying.
I did the same but, but you didn't like what I said(the truth).
You threw a bunch of catchphrases at me and didn't really explain any of them, then told me I was too ignorant to understand the explanations. So, educate me. Why do you think the UN figures are lies? What is your opinion on Srebrenica and people like Mladic, and why do you hold those opinions?

You've told me to educate myself on the issue. Well, I have in fact done a bit of reading. I realise that there were atrocities on both sides and Naser Oric was a pretty unpleasant dude, but it's really confusing to me how you can equate his crimes to to the Srebrenica massacre. I mean, torturing and killing 11 captured soldiers is pretty evil but it sort of pales in comparison to the massacre of over 8,000 men and children.

I'm not trying to paint Serbs as bad people because it would be hard to find too many countries (including my own) that haven't done some horrible things during wartime. But I am struggling to understand why people like yourself try to justify it. If I'm uninformed on the matter, then please enlighten me.
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You threw a bunch of catchphrases at me and didn't really explain any of them, then told me I was too ignorant to understand the explanations. So, educate me. Why do you think the UN figures are lies? What is your opinion on Srebrenica and people like Mladic, and why do you hold those opinions?

You've told me to educate myself on the issue. Well, I have in fact done a bit of reading. I realise that there were atrocities on both sides and Naser Oric was a pretty unpleasant dude, but it's really confusing to me how you can equate his crimes to to the Srebrenica massacre. I mean, torturing and killing 11 captured soldiers is pretty evil but it sort of pales in comparison to the massacre of over 8,000 men and children.

I'm not trying to paint Serbs as bad people because it would be hard to find too many countries (including my own) that haven't done some horrible things during wartime. But I am struggling to understand why people like yourself try to justify it. If I'm uninformed on the matter, then please enlighten me.
Bold parts just show how little you know and your tendency to simplify things.It'd take me long time to "enlighten" you and this is a tennis forum, not a political one.So, if you really wanna know more send me your e-mail in a PM and I'll "educate" you.
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Dude, it's a discussion forum. Discuss. I've asked a bunch of pretty simple questions, why don't you have a crack at answering them?

Personally I think it is pretty piss weak of you to come in here and tell people they're wrong/ignorant, and then refuse to actually put forward your own arguments. Seems to indicate to me that you're all hot air and no substance.
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I'm not trying to paint Serbs as bad people because it would be hard to find too many countries (including my own) that haven't done some horrible things during wartime. But I am struggling to understand why people like yourself try to justify it. If I'm uninformed on the matter, then please enlighten me.
The "why" usually generates infinite number of pages whether in books, press, magazines, forums etc. The shortest and most basic explanation (in my opinion of course) is vicious circle. Both official and unofficial history was teaching a lot of generations that the Serbs suffered 500+ years under Turks, i.e. Muslims, and also that hundreds of thousands died in Croatian Nazi death camps; the WW2 wasn't that long ago and still many people had their relatives/parents/friends lost there, so when the civil war happened, a number of people thought it was finally "payback time" and "an eye for an eye".

Of course, violence generates more violence which generates more violence and so on. When it all ended, then on all sides it was mostly all about who started it first, who was more guilty, whose losses were higher, who were the good guys and who are the bad guys, everybody pointing fingers to the other side and more-less that still goes on. The all-present myopia and failure to see the bigger picture, is unfortunately not something easily curable.
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Added to that is that anyone who tries to nuance what went on there gets branded a traitor by his/her compatriots, for their own party is exclusively the victim and never the perpetrator of anything that went on during the war. Anything that can be ascribed to a side as an act of agression is either far less worse than public opinion makes of it (see what has been said about Srebrenica in this thread) or ´merely´ a just act of self-defence.
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Added to that is that anyone who tries to nuance what went on there gets branded a traitor by his/her compatriots, for their own party is exclusively the victim and never the perpetrator of anything that went on during the war. Anything that can be ascribed to a side as an act of agression is either far less worse than public opinion makes of it (see what has been said about Srebrenica in this thread) or ´merely´ a just act of self-defence.
Yea, it's the usual "if you are not with us, then you're against us". To make things more grotesque, each side will sooner or later claim God and justice is/was on their side, never mind that the same God teaches compassion and peace.

Again, it's all oh-so simplified. There were also people in there for the money, for the political points, for other more or less bizarre reasons, different sides had support from different foreign countries who in turn had their own disparate interests, yada-yada. Some people sooner or later realized how utterly pointless and futile it all was, some probably never will.
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