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Old 10-26-2011, 06:38 PM   #16
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Is it more unrealistic for me to suggest that Murray is a better returner than Djokovic or for Saberq to claim that Djokovic is a FAR better returner than Murray?
I think the first thing my friend ....given that Murray is without a slam...
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Very interesting article, thanks for posting. Very curious just how high the return stats are this year, even compared to previous years. I'd like to see this updated at the end of the year to know exactly where they end up. Also good to get some statistical evidence for some things that have been obvious for a while (e.g. Federer's return ability declining).
Federer's ability to return big serves has declined by a fair bit. I don't see that Wimbledon Tsonga match turning out how it did otherwise.
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Well it's nonsense denying the fact the Djokovic is one of the 2 best returners recently. It just not faire to leave out Murray.
nobody is leaving him out .....Murray is a great returner ......but if my life depended on a break point I would want Djokovic to return that serve
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Berdych is another who's serve nowadays gives Federer BIG problems.
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Berdych is another who's serve nowadays gives Federer BIG problems.
every single player with a large toss gives federer problems
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Is it more unrealistic for me to suggest that Murray is a better returner than Djokovic or for Saberq to claim that Djokovic is a FAR better returner than Murray?
The latter is an absurd claim, while the former is backed by statistics.
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The latter is an absurd claim, while the former is backed by statistics.
Djokovic won most return games this season I think ......
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http://tennis28.com/slams/games_winp...y_leaders.html

Not updated for a long time.

Borg won 66.5% of all games during the Slam events he competed in that year.

http://tennis28.com/slams/games_winpct_year.html

List of best percentages...


http://tennis28.com/slams/games_winpct_tournament.html

Individual Slam tournie record. Nadal's 2008 RG not yet included but would be near the top. If Djokovic didn't give him such a relatively hard time in the semis then he might have had top spot.
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Here's a graph showing the ranking points of all no.1's since 1990

http://tennis28.com/charts/No1_Players.GIF
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Agassi GOAT return, Murray best current returner on tour. Seems fair.
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How can Djokovic be the return GOAT when he is not even the best returner in his own era?
So who returns better? Please say Mugray, because I need a laugh.
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So who returns better? Please say Mugray, because I need a laugh.
He does return better. Watch how he gets all over Karlovic's serve. Not that joke of a serve your man's got.
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He does return better. Watch how he gets all over Karlovic's serve. Not that joke of a serve your man's got.
you lost all credibility along with Roadmap given that you will support Murray in everything ....next Murray has the best FH....DJOKOVIC HAS THE BEST RETURN IN TODAYS GAME.......every god damn expert said so for years yet two British dudes know better........
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you lost all credibility along with Roadmap given that you will support Murray in everything ....next Murray has the best FH....DJOKOVIC HAS THE BEST RETURN IN TODAYS GAME.......every god damn expert said so for years yet two British dudes know better........
ACC-worthy post.

Every expert speaks SHITE. Every expert says the present day stuff is the best in all formats. They say it to promote the product and get people watching.

I rarely agree with ANY pundits. McEnroe: 'Nadal volleys better than Fed'



I'm not after 'credibility' btw, this is the MTF asylum.
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He does return better. Watch how he gets all over Karlovic's serve. Not that joke of a serve your man's got.
Mugray struggled to return Isner's serve on slow(ish) court of USO, he was struggling to break him and spent like 4 hours outlasting him physically because he couldn't do shit against his serve. Mugray is an overrated returner, sure he can return Nadal's serve like nothing (who can't), but the real test is against a BIG server and that is where Djoker is better.
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