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Old 10-11-2011, 02:30 AM   #16
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Federer has a harder time returning Nadal's serve in contrast to Roddick, for the obvious reasons..........Roddick's placement is in almost the same exact spots each and every time with the occasional body serve......at least with Nadal he'll go for the line, the middle, or out wide. As simple as that.
Nadal serves far, far more predictably than Roddick against Federer. Federer's troubles with Nadal's serve are mainly because Federer is/was a stubborn idiot who refused to step over to cover his backhand even though 95% of Nadal's serves to him come to that side.
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Old 10-11-2011, 02:52 AM   #17
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Default Re: Why was (is) Federer such a bad matchup for Roddick?

Some Roddick highlights from back in the day when Roddick still had a ground game and serve. Many have forgotten but he could actually play this game well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9qTIcn4PeE
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Old 10-11-2011, 03:27 AM   #18
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Default Re: Why was (is) Federer such a bad matchup for Roddick?

same reason agassi owned becker

he read the serve very well

wimby 09 was a case of olderer playing shit and still managing to out get out mugged by duck
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Default Re: Why was (is) Federer such a bad matchup for Roddick?

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Fed is a bad matchup for anyone not called Nadal. He is a great player. It's very simple.

Actually now that I think about it, yes Roger is a bad match-up for most of the players except Nadal and Murray. This is mainly attributed to Rogers variety, especially when his sliced use to have some bite. Additionally Roger always plays a fast game and he was very good at taking the ball almost on the rise, robbing opponents of time.
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Old 10-11-2011, 04:05 AM   #20
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Mainly because Federer was by far the best at blocking back big serves in their primes. Roddick likes to use his big serve to stay ahead and be able to put enough balls in play on his opponent's serve to get wins. Against Federer, he can't do either. Federer takes the initiative early and wins most of the rallies and Roddick doesn't have nearly as many easy serve games as he likes to feel comfortable in this match up. And defeat and defeat starts to wear on you after a while, even for a fighter like Roddick.
This is the main reason.

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Fed is a bad matchup for anyone not called Nadal. He is a great player. It's very simple.
If Fed is pushing Nole to two 5 set matches in GSs at age 30, he's a bad matchup for anyone (sans Nadal). I suspect that part of it is that Roddick barely inched him out for the #1 ranking in 2003 - that would have been - what? - 6 years ranked #1. Fed's got a long memory against the Hewitts, Nalbandians, Roddicks.
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Because Federer can return 140mph serves at your feet but will shank 80mph lefty slice serves to the backhand
lol, this is true.
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I am interested to see if Dimitrov is a bad matchup for roddick as well.
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Default Re: Why was (is) Federer such a bad matchup for Roddick?

Besides reading serve, Roddick's groundstrokes are also too predictable for Fed.
When Duck makes an attempt to attack, Roger can defend succesfully using the slice shot , which completely doesn't work against Nadal for example, hence his match-up issues with Rafa from the beginning of their rivalry.
Apart from the tennis aspects, Federer feels as if he was playing an exho/warm-up against Roddick, we can see no pressure on Roger then, he is playing with a lot of confidence, mainly because Fed knows Rod's agressive gameplan will collapse after couple of points, maybe sets (vide USO 2007).
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Federer (for whatever reason) had a perfect read on Roddicks serve. That always tends to lead to lopsided results in pro tennis.

I think Fed's return of first serve in his prime, is one of the most underrated elements of his game, and one of the best in tennis history. He put back more Roddick 1st serves than pretty much anybody else (including Djokovic, Ferrer, Nalbandian, Davydenko etc).

From the baseline, Roddick was outclassed across the board. So without the ability to win free points on the serve, and knowing that he was outclassed in all other areas of the game, Roddick had to alter his game in ridiculous ways.

This led to a lot of scenarios where he would kamikaze the net (bad news against Federer's passing shots), or try to overhit, or try to overgrind etc. The matchup at that point went to his head.
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Because Federer can return 140mph serves at your feet but will shank 80mph lefty slice serves to the backhand
Why would Federer return Roddick's serve at his feet when he'll be 2 metres behind the baseline by then? Sounds like an error in both scenarios.
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Default Re: Why was (is) Federer such a bad matchup for Roddick?

Serve/return issues have been covered. Fed also was adept at exploiting Roddick's terrible transition game with wicked short-angled slices followed up by zinging passing shots.
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Because Federer is Federer.. no seriously..Roger did a good job at taking away Andy's serve. Then it becomes a groundgame and if you can't find Roger's forehand consistently, you ain't gonna win many matches against him.

Only Nadal has really found the way to beat Roger almsot at will, so no shame for Andy.
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Because Federer is Federer.. no seriously..Roger did a good job at taking away Andy's serve. Then it becomes a groundgame and if you can't find Roger's forehand consistently, you ain't gonna win many matches against him.

Only Nadal has really found the way to beat Roger almsot at will, so no shame for Andy.
And that only on clay.

Still, if it's about good returners, why has Djokovic have a LOSING H2H against him then?
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Too much skill!
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And that only on clay.

Still, if it's about good returners, why has Djokovic have a LOSING H2H against him then?
That's a very interesting question..hmmm...
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