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View Poll Results: Which of these compulsory 1000 level events would you drop

05.03.2012 - Hard - BNP Paribas Open, Indian Wells, USA 10 7.09%
23.03.2011 - Hard - Sony Ericsson Open, Miami, USA 16 11.35%
01.05.2011 - Clay - Mutua Madrid Open, Madrid, Spain 14 9.93%
08.05.2011 - Clay - Internazionali BNL d'Italia, Rome, Italy 10 7.09%
08.08.2011 - Hard - Rogers Cup, Montreal, Canada 6 4.26%
14.08.2011 - Hard - Western & Southern Open, Cincinnati, USA 20 14.18%
09.10.2011 - Hard - Shanghai Rolex Masters, Shanghai, China 48 34.04%
07.11.2011 - Hard - BNP Paribas Masters - Paris, France 17 12.06%
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Old 07-25-2012, 12:55 PM   #1321
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Just make them 5 set finals, 8 Masters, 2 on clay (Madrid, Rome), 1 Grass (Hamburg?), 4 outdoor hard (Indian Wells, Mehami, Canada, Cincinatti), 1 indoor hard (Paris)
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Not practical financially I believe.

Why, explain please?

The grand slams make loads of revenue mainly because they are played over 2 weeks, why wouldnt this be financially viable?
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How to improve it is lessen the mandatory events, maybe make them play 6-7 only, required that is
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Why, explain please?

The grand slams make loads of revenue mainly because they are played over 2 weeks, why wouldnt this be financially viable?
Are you saying that the only difference between US Open or Wimbledon and masters is one extra week?
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In there current format the masters 1000s are seen as warm up events to the majors. We have a calendar that lasts 10 months yet there are only 4 events (the grand slams) which most people care about. By making the masters series events 128 draw over 2 weeks with 5 sets every round you make them on par with the grand slams. Which means a much more exciting calendar year of events
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This would only increase the gap between the Challenger Tour and the ATP Tour, which I dobn't personally want to happen.
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In there current format the masters 1000s are seen as warm up events to the majors. We have a calendar that lasts 10 months yet there are only 4 events (the grand slams) which most people care about. By making the masters series events 128 draw over 2 weeks with 5 sets every round you make them on par with the grand slams. Which means a much more exciting calendar year of events
LOL. It's Like having FIFA World Cup every year. Making it 8 slams a year is stupid the buzz on each slam will be lessen, as they happen more often, people will get sick of it and it will lessen the prestige. And Lol at the African slam, they no funds to make it happen. That is why Miami and Indian Wells now is as big as the slam aren't they cause they are played in two weeks.
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In there current format the masters 1000s are seen as warm up events to the majors. We have a calendar that lasts 10 months yet there are only 4 events (the grand slams) which most people care about. By making the masters series events 128 draw over 2 weeks with 5 sets every round you make them on par with the grand slams. Which means a much more exciting calendar year of events
So basically, you would want to convert masters into slams, and have 8 slams or something like that?
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So basically, you would want to convert masters into slams, and have 8 slams or something like that?
Kind of yes. They wouldnt be grand slams as such, as they would be masters events run by the ATP.

All im saying is what gets people interested in tennis is the majors and the format of the slams - the drama of best of 5 sets, 128 draw which lets people with a low ranking have there day e.g. Rosel against Nadal, played over 2 weeks (so it gives many people the chance to go along and watch atleast 1 day), mens and womens tennis along with doubles.

At the moment the top players play 15+ events over 10 months, yet only the 4 majors and maybe the end of year cup, really draws people's attention into the game.

In the calendar I suggested, the top players would only be required to play 8 events a year which isnt a lot. Maybe having s South African masters wouldnt be financially viable though.
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In there current format the masters 1000s are seen as warm up events to the majors. We have a calendar that lasts 10 months yet there are only 4 events (the grand slams) which most people care about. By making the masters series events 128 draw over 2 weeks with 5 sets every round you make them on par with the grand slams. Which means a much more exciting calendar year of events
Terrible idea which I can guarantee you, will never happen. You want to bin all the 250 and 500 tournaments and just have a tour with 12 GS level events. Apart from the fact every one of these small tournaments will be up in arms about your idea, many of them bring in a fair amount of revenue to the ATP and give fans around the globe an opportunity to appreciate tennis. The ATP tour is a huge success because of all these tournaments around the world, not in spite of them.
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Terrible idea which I can guarantee you, will never happen. You want to bin all the 250 and 500 tournaments and just have a tour with 12 GS level events. Apart from the fact every one of these small tournaments will be up in arms about your idea, many of them bring in a fair amount of revenue to the ATP and give fans around the globe an opportunity to appreciate tennis. The ATP tour is a huge success because of all these tournaments around the world, not in spite of them.
Ive never said bin the 250 and 500 tournaments at all!!! Look at the calendar and first comment I suggessted. All I said was instead of having 9 masters 1000s events a year we have 8 played over 2 years (4 a year) which are 128 draw, 5 sets every round, 2 weeks long.

The miami masters and Indian Wells is already played over 2 weeks each with a 96 draw at both. Its not such a radical idea.
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In there current format the masters 1000s are seen as warm up events to the majors. We have a calendar that lasts 10 months yet there are only 4 events (the grand slams) which most people care about. By making the masters series events 128 draw over 2 weeks with 5 sets every round you make them on par with the grand slams. Which means a much more exciting calendar year of events
Not it doesn't. There is no such thing as constant excitement. You can't have a continuously exciting tour any more than you can have the sky with nothing but starlight.
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Not it doesn't. There is no such thing as constant excitement. You can't have a continuously exciting tour any more than you can have the sky with nothing but starlight.
Whats the point of playing 9 masters 1000s events over 10 months then?? Isnt that for non stop excitment?
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Ive never said bin the 250 and 500 tournaments at all!!! Look at the calendar and first comment I suggessted. All I said was instead of having 9 masters 1000s events a year we have 8 played over 2 years (4 a year) which are 128 draw, 5 sets every round, 2 weeks long.

The miami masters and Indian Wells is already played over 2 weeks each with a 96 draw at both. Its not such a radical idea.
Why would a tournament want to only generate revenue once every two years? Having a 128 field doesn't mean they automatically double their current profits. Sponsors wouldn't be interested in a 2 year cycle either as that is not the way businesses work. Why would the 250s and 500s be happy about possibly not having any top 30 players at their events? Who would be interested in sponsoring events that could potentially have the depth of today's challengers? How many spectator do you think would be interested in going to events with such weak fields? What TV channels are going to pay for these types of events?

Like I said, terrible idea that will never be implemented.
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