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05.03.2012 - Hard - BNP Paribas Open, Indian Wells, USA 10 7.09%
23.03.2011 - Hard - Sony Ericsson Open, Miami, USA 16 11.35%
01.05.2011 - Clay - Mutua Madrid Open, Madrid, Spain 14 9.93%
08.05.2011 - Clay - Internazionali BNL d'Italia, Rome, Italy 10 7.09%
08.08.2011 - Hard - Rogers Cup, Montreal, Canada 6 4.26%
14.08.2011 - Hard - Western & Southern Open, Cincinnati, USA 20 14.18%
09.10.2011 - Hard - Shanghai Rolex Masters, Shanghai, China 48 34.04%
07.11.2011 - Hard - BNP Paribas Masters - Paris, France 17 12.06%
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Old 09-17-2011, 07:15 PM   #826
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Indian wells, Miami and all clay tournaments should be banned. Bring back wood.
Wooden courts? Well, that would certainly speed up play. Even fastest grass is like Roland Garros compared to wood.

I think some tournies were still held on wood in the '70s, possibly '80s too?
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Did you read the article? It was the PLAYERS who asked for Davis Cup to be moved from two weeks after the GS to the week after, not the ITF. It can't be that hard to say to the ITF, "we thought it would work, but it really isn't such a good idea after all - can we go back to where it was", but don't try to come across as if the ITF pushed you into the situation

I know, and I think they're right. If ITF and ATP have the will to listen them, it's something that can be done easily.
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I know, and I think they're right. If ITF and ATP have the will to listen them, it's something that can be done easily.
But when they listened to the players the first time, now they're complaining again
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I dont understand a shit about rafa's bitching ...
Davydenko played 30+ tournaments for 4-5 years and is still playing nearly every week and he doesn't bitch at all...
Rafa is just a bitch, that's all.
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What the hell does that have to do with what Nadal said? No wonder players complain.
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With a lame change to the thread title. Please mods, ever heard of a slippery slope? Might as well make MTF a one-thread forum.

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What the hell does that have to do with what Nadal said? No wonder players complain.
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Top guys have no reason to complain because their schedules are flexible--they can have the entire month after AO and USO off and since they usually go deep in a tournament, they make thousands of dollars every week. Novak made a million dollars last week alone.

I don't here any of the lower ranked players whining about the schedule length, mostly because they're the ones struggling to make money so they have to play more often. Raising the prize money wouldn't do any good since the top guys would just continue to make more money.
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You don't often see lower ranked players moan about the schedule because of many reasons. Some of them being (IMO):
- they don't get media attention much so we simply don't get to hear from them much
- the tournament organisers, the officials, the ticket paying public,...usually makes a whole lot less fuss if one of them doesn't turn up or is exhausted when turning up because they went far in previous tournaments
- they often don't go far in tournaments so they have a bit more time in between tournaments
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And when they do speak up about something that's messed up about the calendar or some tennis organisation, MTF'ers usually don't make a mountain out of a molehill.

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Did you read the article? It was the PLAYERS who asked for Davis Cup to be moved from two weeks after the GS to the week after, not the ITF. It can't be that hard to say to the ITF, "we thought it would work, but it really isn't such a good idea after all - can we go back to where it was", but don't try to come across as if the ITF pushed you into the situation
Somebody correct me (with facts) if I'm getting this wrong but if I remember it correctly, those DC ties often used to be in front of major events or smack in between important tournaments and given very little leeway, the players preferred to have the DC tie after the slam instead of in front of big tournaments (because the focus of most players will be on the big tournaments). It's not as if the players are given a lot of freedom in deciding the calendar, top player or not. If a top player decided to not play a DC tie before a major event, he was criticised for it. If a top player decides to not play a DC tie after having gone far in the slam, it'll be more easily accepted. No?
I remember that there was a whole lot discussion back then about how rigid ITF was about the issue + the ATP and the ITF often clashed about calendar issues.


However, having the DC tie a week after the slams is messed up.

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Andy Murray says top players are "serious" about their call for changes to the tennis calendar - and that some form of strike cannot be ruled out.

Players are upset at overcrowding in the schedule and will meet in Shanghai next month to plot their next move.

Murray told BBC Sport: "It's a possibility. I know from speaking to some players they're not afraid of doing that [striking].

"Let's hope it doesn't come to that but I'm sure the players will consider it."


Asked whether the subject of a strike or boycott will be mentioned during the meeting in China, he continued: "Yes I think so.
"If we come up with a list of things we want changed - and everyone is in agreement but they don't happen - then we need to have some say in what goes on in our sport. At the moment we don't.

"We'll sit down, talk about it with the Association of Tennis Professionals (ATP) and International Tennis Federation (ITF), see if they will come to a compromise and, if not, we'll go from there.

"We just want things to change, really small things. Two or three weeks during the year, a few less tournaments each year, which I don't think is unreasonable."


Last year ATP chief executive Adam Helfant, who has since decided to leave the governing body, announced the Paris Masters and the World Tour Finals would be played back-to-back, so two weeks have been saved in the 2012 ATP calendar.
But Murray argued: "Right now it takes so long to change things.

"To get another change implemented may take five or six years at the rate things are going and then all of us will be done [retired]. We want it to happen sooner rather than later."


At the US Open, Rafael Nadal reached the final after playing three singles matches in three days. He then had one day off before playing for four hours against Novak Djokovic.

Straight after that match he was on a plane to Spain and, four days later, playing a potential five-set match in the Davis Cup.

But ITF president Francesco Ricci Bitti said last week that complaints by Nadal over the Davis cup scheduling were "inconsistent", saying players voted for the current dates, against the ITF's wishes, back in 2009.

An ATP spokesperson highlighted recent tour changes such as increased prize money, byes for top eight players and best-of-three set finals.

And a statement from the organisation added: "The players should and do have a major say in how the game is run. We remain committed to working with the players and other governing bodies to continue to address their issues."
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Mugray on the Uncle Toni payroll Probably pays him enough to compensate for the difference between losing in SF and losing in finals.
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They can fuck off then. We'll watch a major event or GS without them.

Rafa, Novak, Andy, it's YOUR fault for the defensive physical brand of tennis you have opted to deploy, and the ATP for slowing the courts down to suit YOUR games, that you're fucking knackered at the end of every ****ing year.
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Murray.
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The entire DC format needs changing and if people would just quit trolling for a sec, it's not just Andy, Rafa and Novak. Federer hardly ever plays it.
I read somewhere that Roddick came up with the strike option during the US Open.

So many in here are so quick to laugh at players that they don't stop to read and think for themselves.

Does anybody in here really think that playing DC a week after a slam final is a good idea? Seriously?

Furthermore, the slowing down of courts argument is an overplayed argument on MTF. You'd better come up with new thoughts to be controversial.

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When the current format was discussed together with changes in the ATP calendar, we had De Villiers from ATP on one side (remember him?) and Ricci Bitti from ITF on the other side. They moved tournaments about, changed the points system for tournaments, changed obligatory events (so that there are even more) and Bitti wanted ATP points for playing DC and he got it (even though it's an unfair system IMO). There was very little room for discussion if I remember it well.
If you didn't need to play a certain amount of matches over a certain amount of time in order to be entitled to play in the Olympics, even less top players would be bothered to play.

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