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05.03.2012 - Hard - BNP Paribas Open, Indian Wells, USA 10 7.09%
23.03.2011 - Hard - Sony Ericsson Open, Miami, USA 16 11.35%
01.05.2011 - Clay - Mutua Madrid Open, Madrid, Spain 14 9.93%
08.05.2011 - Clay - Internazionali BNL d'Italia, Rome, Italy 10 7.09%
08.08.2011 - Hard - Rogers Cup, Montreal, Canada 6 4.26%
14.08.2011 - Hard - Western & Southern Open, Cincinnati, USA 20 14.18%
09.10.2011 - Hard - Shanghai Rolex Masters, Shanghai, China 48 34.04%
07.11.2011 - Hard - BNP Paribas Masters - Paris, France 17 12.06%
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Old 10-27-2010, 01:00 AM   #616
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The AO has been moved in the past, it can be moved again.

Playing it in January is stupid anyway...
no its not. Jan is when the people flock melbourne park in the hot Aussie summer and make it the best tourney is the world. The Aussie swing is the best part of the tennis calender and it shall not be removed. Best mm tourneys there e.g brisbane,sydney and Ackland and the best exho e.g Hopman cup.

I cant fucking wait. Got tix untill day9 (mix of RLA and Hisense). Best atmosphere, matches etc. It just doesnt get any better.
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Playing it in January is stupid anyway...
Tell me why it is stupid playing it in January then give me benefits of playing it in other months.

School and uni holidays are one of the main reasons though.
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no its not. Jan is when the people flock melbourne park in the hot Aussie summer and make it the best tourney is the world. The Aussie swing is the best part of the tennis calender and it shall not be removed. Best mm tourneys there e.g brisbane,sydney and Ackland and the best exho e.g Hopman cup.

I cant fucking wait. Got tix untill day9 (mix of RLA and Hisense). Best atmosphere, matches etc. It just doesnt get any better.
I've always thought it was the best time of the tennis year as well, but I've always thought i am a little biased because its my home slam. Its true though, there is nothing better than chilling watching the AO with a cold beer in the hot january sun. I've got my tix as well, RD3 to the quarters in RLA and I'll just get ground passes for the first few days.
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Tell me why it is stupid playing it in January then give me benefits of playing it in other months.

School and uni holidays are one of the main reasons though.
Isn't it obvious?

* There aren't enough high-quality warm-up tournaments pre-AO after the off-season break.
* You get 5 consecutive masters before the next slam. This is the most part of the tennis year. The HC season should be concluded with a Grand Slam. Instead you get a bunch of pointless post-AO HC tournaments that do not lead anywhere.
* The climax is too hot. It's not healthy to play tennis in those conditions.
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Isn't it obvious?

* There aren't enough high-quality warm-up tournaments pre-AO after the off-season break.
* You get 5 consecutive masters before the next slam. This is the most part of the tennis year. The HC season should be concluded with a Grand Slam. Instead you get a bunch of pointless post-AO HC tournaments that do not lead anywhere.
* The climax is too hot. It's not healthy to play tennis in those conditions.
yeah... well... wouldnt mind a good ol' climax right about now... think i'll go knock the top off one...
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If ATP and ITF paid more prize money at Challenger and Futures level, maybe there would not be need for more events. Challenger prize money has not increased AT ALL in 20 years.

And not long ago ITF head guy was complaining that lowest echelons of the professional game pay out too much.

Un-fucking-believable. I've began to seriously think that ITF and Grand Slam Council have outlived their usefulness. Seriously, I feel that it is soon time to bring out the rope and start looking for lamp posts.
This just makes it worse that the cash hasn't gone up proportional to inflation and the increased revenue coming into the game.

Ricci Bitti is an arse clown of the highest order. Got to say I'm impressed with the rope comment, but tennis doesn't have competent people in charge of their game. Sure they aren't as bad as FIFA, but they can't get away with like those clowns cause of the status of tennis.
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Please don't listen Mjau, this individual has no clue about the history of the sport at all and why certain things have turned out the way they did.

Would you trust someone as competent when they say Safin is a poor mans Söderling?

Next of all the AO moving to January saved the event and turned it in the big money earner it is and the other Slams aren't moving their dates. So with this being the case, then it's easier to end the season in October or early November, as I have already posted in this thread numerous times.
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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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Isn't it obvious?

* There aren't enough high-quality warm-up tournaments pre-AO after the off-season break.
* You get 5 consecutive masters before the next slam. This is the most part of the tennis year. The HC season should be concluded with a Grand Slam. Instead you get a bunch of pointless post-AO HC tournaments that do not lead anywhere.
* The climax is too hot. It's not healthy to play tennis in those conditions.
Taking the Open out of January will make it lose credibility among the other slams, trust me. Attendence would decrease dramatically, in turn the tournament would generate less income and this would result in more problems. Another thing is our national football codes would kick off at the same time so sole interest in tennis, which there is here in January, would diminish as well.

There are enough tournaments in the lead up in my opinion. Yes in a perfect world it would be nice to see a masters event in the lead up, but sadly there is no such thing as a perfect world. Some of the best tennis of the year is played during these 2 weeks in January so there is no problem with the amount of tennis they are playing beforehand. Maybe some players should note this and realise less is sometimes more.

It's not to hot - the temp really wouldn't change that much in March anyway.
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Please don't listen Mjau, this individual has no clue about the history of the sport at all and why certain things have turned out the way they did.

Would you trust someone as competent when they say Safin is a poor mans Söderling?

Next of all the AO moving to January saved the event and turned it in the big money earner it is and the other Slams aren't moving their dates. So with this being the case, then it's easier to end the season in October or early November, as I have already posted in this thread numerous times.
I was gonna say before if the schedule needs altering, which I believe it doesn't, the only part that should change is scrapping all this indoor shit that is on now, moving the WTF up to October and finishing the season earlier so everyone can rest up for a couple of months. The only thing players have to play for right now is qualifying for the WTF (so that is players ranked 6-14) and players around the 100 mark trying to get direct entry into Melbourne.

Its still not as big a problem as some make it out to be though.
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I was gonna say before if the schedule needs altering, which I believe it doesn't, the only part that should change is scrapping all this indoor shit that is on now, moving the WTF up to October and finishing the season earlier so everyone can rest up for a couple of months. The only thing players have to play for right now is qualifying for the WTF (so that is players ranked 6-14) and players around the 100 mark trying to get direct entry into Melbourne.

Its still not as big a problem as some make it out to be though.
If you want me to be brutally honest for most players at the moment there is nothing to play for now. The ones who are contention for the TMC, in that case it's more who ends up there healthy.

The other side the ones battling to finish in the top 100 and make direct for the Aus Open, and Davis Cup finalists hell yeah they have something to play for. The vast majority aren't in that situation, just going through the motions. These lame duck events, lots of fixing, players going through the motions, if they get some points all well and good, if not then no loss holidays are on the way.

Quantity over quality, I know what I'd prefer. Many of the players playing at the AO are still getting over the previous season, it's easy enough watching in these events who they are. It's not always just about the physical.
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If you want me to be brutally honest for most players at the moment there is nothing to play for now. The ones who are contention for the TMC, in that case it's more who ends up there healthy.

The other side the ones battling to finish in the top 100 and make direct for the Aus Open, and Davis Cup finalists hell yeah they have something to play for. The vast majority aren't in that situation, just going through the motions. These lame duck events, lots of fixing, players going through the motions, if they get some points all well and good, if not then no loss holidays are on the way.

Quantity over quality, I know what I'd prefer. Many of the players playing at the AO are still getting over the previous season, it's easy enough watching in these events who they are. It's not always just about the physical.
Yeah man, pretty much nailed it with that post. The fixers come out and some just don't give a shit because they've got nothing to play for. Personally right now is the least interesting part of the season and the most pointless for the majority of the tour.

Do you agree though, that some of the best tennis of the year is played at the AO so I don't see how a busy schedule or too short an off season has anything to do with players being burned out. They just need to manage it better and the better players do that *cough nadal*
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Yeah man, pretty much nailed it with that post. The fixers come out and some just don't give a shit because they've got nothing to play for. Personally right now is the least interesting part of the season and the most pointless for the majority of the tour.

Do you agree though, that some of the best tennis of the year is played at the AO so I don't see how a busy schedule or too short an off season has anything to do with players being burned out. They just need to manage it better and the better players do that *cough nadal*
Fixing is always going to happen, but this time of year it happens quite a bit, along with some other small events earlier in the season, but that's a whole separate issue.

I don't agree about the AO specifically having great tennis, every Slam has their good matches. It's very easy to isolate 1 or 2 examples and think that carries for the majority, when it's not the case.

There are too many events and has been for years. Do you need me to go through the whole fitness base thing? A lot of the lower ranked players, need the cash so they are going to be playing more events, they are the ones that need to rest for a month and then have about 5/6 weeks heavy physical training load for the new season. Then once on tour, it will be about maintenance so they don't overplay, but that has already happened with Kavcic for example earlier in the year and he is on the edge of making it directly to the AO.

The top guys can get away with it, because they are playing less during the year cause their ranking allows them to be more selective when playing events.
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Yeah man, pretty much nailed it with that post. The fixers come out and some just don't give a shit because they've got nothing to play for. Personally right now is the least interesting part of the season and the most pointless for the majority of the tour.

Do you agree though, that some of the best tennis of the year is played at the AO so I don't see how a busy schedule or too short an off season has anything to do with players being burned out. They just need to manage it better and the better players do that *cough nadal*
No. AO is the worst slam by far. Best slams are Wimbledon and RG.
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