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View Poll Results: Which of these compulsory 1000 level events would you drop

05.03.2012 - Hard - BNP Paribas Open, Indian Wells, USA 10 7.09%
23.03.2011 - Hard - Sony Ericsson Open, Miami, USA 16 11.35%
01.05.2011 - Clay - Mutua Madrid Open, Madrid, Spain 14 9.93%
08.05.2011 - Clay - Internazionali BNL d'Italia, Rome, Italy 10 7.09%
08.08.2011 - Hard - Rogers Cup, Montreal, Canada 6 4.26%
14.08.2011 - Hard - Western & Southern Open, Cincinnati, USA 20 14.18%
09.10.2011 - Hard - Shanghai Rolex Masters, Shanghai, China 48 34.04%
07.11.2011 - Hard - BNP Paribas Masters - Paris, France 17 12.06%
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Old 07-13-2005, 10:37 AM   #31
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in mainland Europe.......... nearly every outside court is CLAY

no they shouldnt take away the clay events.
as said previously, there's just as many if not more hard court events.

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Old 07-13-2005, 10:49 AM   #32
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the previous guy said the majority of big tornaments i.e TMS and Grand Slams are not on clay, granted, he said federer and Hewitt earn all there points on Grass??? which was confusing as they play two tournaments a year on grass, my point was the Grand Slam is the ultimate prize in Tennis and the lead up to the specific Grand Slam should have the designated surface, clay might be the main outdoor court in europe but it represents 1/4 of the grand slams so it should be played for a 1/4 of the year two or three months before the FO, I think the scheduling needs to change AO should be in March with Miami and Indian Wells Late Jan-Feb time then April-May-Start of June clay TMS and Rolland Garros with smaller tourny's such as Barcelona-Mallorca. June-July start of August Grass court tennis maybe introde a couple of Tms grass court events. Then August-Sep Us open plus the two TMS events ending the season with indoor events and finally Masters Cup, with the surface changing every year what do you think

To get the best for the sport the players need to be playing on a level playing field i mean take Gaudio for example he qualified for the Masters Cup last season and was way out of his depth i mean, he was stuffed in every match he played because he is a clay courter he should earn his right to play in the Masters Cup which he would with a Fair Schedule which would show exactly who is the best Tennis players.
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Can you add some punctuation and create sentences in your paragraphs, skel? My brain just got fried trying to read that last post

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in mainland Europe.......... nearly every outside court is CLAY
Yes, all but two, and those are on grass (and so are the three in the UK).

There are *no* outdoor hardcourt tournaments in Europe at all at ATP level.
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Your capability of talking biased, low level arguments really is something without precedents skel 1983, so let's start:

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biggest event in tennis
Based in what? Financial reward? Your biased mind filled with british Wimbledon propaganda?

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and gain ranking points on there little clay court events
First, Most of these clay events aren't small, they have a good amount of respectable players in their draws. Second, players like Federer, Hewitt and Roddick also collect a good number of points and money playing into smaller events. Your argument would have had relevance if was in relation to ATP's race points. But since it wasn't.......

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these guys should learn and adapt there games to surfaces there not use to
I agree, they should do it (the majority IS doing this, smart one), however they had passed their entire life training hard on clay courts to be where they are today, and now deserve to receive all the credits for that. And this means give some emphasis in their favorite tournaments. They should play the masters and GS that are the obligatory tournaments, but not other smaller tournaments in different surfaces, that doesn't give to them any advantages compared to the clay tournaments of the same class (Yes, I know that's hard for you to understand and accept this, but the clay tournaments of this time of the year aren't inferior to the hard courts ones)

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if not should be fined and even banned it's not good for the game.
I agree with that they should receive punishment if they skip more than a few obligatory tournaments, barring injuries and other excepcional reasons, but the only one here that should be banned is you.

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why is there clay tornys this week
Because some tournaments can have the right to exist, even if them doesn't work as a preliminary to a grand slam?

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roddick federer hewitt safin will be playing these events they would if it was lead up to french open
Would they? I hate to disappoint you, but there is a really good chance that most of them wouldn't be playing the majority of these events. And the main reason is simply that Hewitt, Roddick and even Federer prefer to play on hardcourts. They probably would use the time of most of these events to rest or perhaps even to play some hardcourt tournaments. Safin I believe, is the one that would have the greatest chance to play two of these three.
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To get the best for the sport the players need to be playing on a level playing field i mean take Gaudio for example he qualified for the Masters Cup last season and was way out of his depth i mean, he was stuffed in every match he played because he is a clay courter he should earn his right to play in the Masters Cup which he would with a Fair Schedule which would show exactly who is the best Tennis players.
You an also ask: "why is the Masters Cup never played on clay ?"
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but the only one here that should be banned is you.

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I am putting my opinion across,but you guys really get upset don't you especially the Brazilian bloke, i mean grow up i am putting across my opinion and your saying i should be banned, i really hurt your feelings poooooooor man my heart bleeds for you. You could be right i might be biased towards Wimbledon, but as ive said over and over again it's the biggest tournament in regards to PRESTIGE-HISTORY how past players class it. But i don't mean no harm with you guys but this forum is very clicky (boys club no new members allowed sort of theme) you need to chill, players can play on clay when they want but my opinion and my point was as many people agree, is that players should work towards there all court game, it will help them in the long run, look at Ferrero he is a guy who is clay court specialist but wants to become the complete player which i respect totally,but when there is events all year round on clay guys like Gaudio don't need to and when they turn up for Wimbledon(if they bother too) they don't give it 100%. Look at Puerta at Wimbledon i cant remember correctly but he got beat 6-1 6-1 6-0 or something like that now i watched that match and there was no effort what so ever, do you get that from Hewitt or Henman There no 1 surface is not clay but when they need to play they will play and give it 100%. SO DONT BE PLAYER HATING GUGA, PEACE OUT.
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it will help them in the long run, look at Ferrero he is a guy who is clay court specialist but wants to become the complete player which i respect totally.
Clay court specialist is a term you might not want to throw around loosely here... and of all the examples, I think Ferrero is a poor one. He wants to "become" a complete player? You mean he's not already? He's been to the 4th round of Wimbledon more than once, we all know his success on clay, but he's no joke on hard courts either... you know, he did make it to the 2003 USO final?

And just because I feel like I have this argument at least once a week, here are his lifetime records on each surface:

Hard: 111-70
Clay: 149-41
Grass: 13-9
Carpet: 13-13

Clay courts may be his best surface, but they aren't his only one. He seems to challenge Federer more than many players on any surface.

Okay sorry. Ferrero being called a clay court "specialist" is a pet peeve of mine.

Clay court specialist = Puerta. Where does he go the rest of the year?
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I feel players like Gaudio devalue the game of tennis he pulls out of the biggest event in tennis but is playing the week after it use to happen with correctja costa all the usual suspects, thats what gets me these guys no they can make there $$ and gain ranking points on there little clay court events, i feel there are too many players devaluing the game because they can, these guys should learn and adapt there games to surfaces there not use to if not should be fined and even banned it's not good for the game.
Do I think you devalue the board with baseless comments that can't be backed up with anything concrete. More information for you, why is it Ok for other players not to do well on clay and yet have good rankings?

Corretja, if you did a search has won indoor events, a TMC and a TMS on hardcourt, so don't give me this rubbish about him not doing anything off clay.

Should you be frined, because you have an outdated, ethnocentric view of the game with this crap about Wimbledon being the best Slam, it's crap, not everyone thinks that or should think that. It's different for different people, not better, just different due to other factors that you can't comprehend.

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Some of you guys say Federer Hewitt gain all there points on grass these guys play the master series and rolland garrros and give it there all year in year out
It's not a question of being cliquey, stick to the old word where it was just players from the US and Australia dominating tennis, then everything will be fine.
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so your best 6 clay court pts count etc.
Not a bad suggestion at all.

Okay, it's a given fact that the most tennis is played on clay and hardcourt. But when doing that, why not going for a balanced 5-5-5-5 scheme?

The whole calendar would need to be changed for that as it would require more grasscourt tournaments to be installed and some others would need to be scratched, but why wouldn't grass deserve to be (almost) equal in the number of events compared to indoor, clay and hardcourt?
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The whole calendar would need to be changed for that as it would require more grasscourt tournaments to be installed and some others would need to be scratched, but why wouldn't grass deserve to be (almost) equal in the number of events compared to indoor, clay and hardcourt?
When they get a better balance of grasscourt events, which won't happen, then the proportion would change.
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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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When they get a better balance of grasscourt events, which won't happen, then the proportion would change.
My suggestion for the proportion of Eggy's ranking system would be 5-5-5-5 then, the five best results from each surface: hardcourt, indoor, clay and grass.
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My suggestion for the proportion of Eggy's ranking system would be 5-5-5-5 then, the five best results from each surface: hardcourt, indoor, clay and grass.
What for 3 grass tournaments, like that's fair. That is almost as bad as the fools who want to get rid of a clay TMS and replace it was a grass one, when the facts are that other surfaces could have one eliminated and it would provide a better balance.
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What for 3 grass tournaments, like that's fair.
If you read above you would have noticed that I was saying this would require more grasscourt tournaments to be installed at the expense of clay and hardcourt ones.

The perfect Tour calendar would be: 25% of the play(weeks) for each of the four surfaces.
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