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View Poll Results: Which of these compulsory 1000 level events would you drop

05.03.2012 - Hard - BNP Paribas Open, Indian Wells, USA 10 7.09%
23.03.2011 - Hard - Sony Ericsson Open, Miami, USA 16 11.35%
01.05.2011 - Clay - Mutua Madrid Open, Madrid, Spain 14 9.93%
08.05.2011 - Clay - Internazionali BNL d'Italia, Rome, Italy 10 7.09%
08.08.2011 - Hard - Rogers Cup, Montreal, Canada 6 4.26%
14.08.2011 - Hard - Western & Southern Open, Cincinnati, USA 20 14.18%
09.10.2011 - Hard - Shanghai Rolex Masters, Shanghai, China 48 34.04%
07.11.2011 - Hard - BNP Paribas Masters - Paris, France 17 12.06%
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Old 10-04-2005, 11:12 AM   #151
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I am not sarcastic at all. there is not much difference climate-wise between Death Valley and Indian Wells..Death Valley would just kill them a bit quicker, meaning it would torture them less.. I like them, I am sympathetic..

You know.. Sometimes people are arrogant.. Sometimes they are ignorant.. I can't tell you what's the case with you.. An average high temperature of Melbourne in January is mere 79F/26C, which is very nice and playable weather.. An average high temperature of July at Indian Wells is 107F/42C.. Do you even know what is it like?

http://www.weather.com/activities/tr...5&climoMonth=1
http://www.weather.com/activities/ot...1&climoMonth=7
Well I was in Indian Wells in 2004 around the time of this tournament and it was close to 100F every day. Of course this year it was a lot cooler. There's no way they could play in the desert in the summer. Though some of the tournies this year like Indy were probably just as bad because the temp was 90F+ with humidity.
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Old 10-04-2005, 01:10 PM   #152
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I wasn't actually referring to you
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for some reason I like it. Hamburg as a grass tournament sounds cool. Buenos Aires is a good thing too.

However, if u want to move Indian Wells and Miami to the summer hard court cirquit, does this mean the traditional summer cirquit tournaments had to be moved to spring??

Hamburg TMS in grass, funny

Roger is the king of Grass, but he is also the three times Hamburg TMS winner in clay!

Your idea of change in surface don't affect him!
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I wasn't actually referring to you
Isn't it you always having a go at claycourt tournaments? I mean even when I gave clear evidence as to why they are not favoured, you still didn't believe it. Also my alleged claycourt bias is well known, so who else has such an M.O that the original comment would be directed at?
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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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Isn't it you always having a go at claycourt tournaments? I mean even when I gave clear evidence as to why they are not favoured, you still didn't believe it. Also my alleged claycourt bias is well known, so who else has such an M.O that the original comment would be directed at?
Nothing against clay court events, just they're all scattered around the calendar and there's too many post-Wimbledon ones.

I have the same opinion that there is too much hard court as well, and the likes of Scottsdale should go and there shouldn't be two US hard court seasons, only one.

I would end the clay season at RG, then grass for an extra week or two, then the only US HC season after Wimby till the USO.
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Nothing against clay court events, just they're all scattered around the calendar and there's too many post-Wimbledon ones.

I have the same opinion that there is too much hard court as well, and the likes of Scottsdale should go and there shouldn't be two US hard court seasons, only one.

I would end the clay season at RG, then grass for an extra week or two, then the only US HC season after Wimby till the USO.
Did you actually see the proposal that I put up and that was done a long time ago?

There are too many hardcourt events, that is the main reason for an injury increase.
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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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Did you actually see the proposal that I put up and that was done a long time ago?

There are too many hardcourt events, that is the main reason for an injury increase.
Yes, agreed.
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Did you actually see the proposal that I put up and that was done a long time ago?

There are too many hardcourt events, that is the main reason for an injury increase.

Oh, really? Safin was injured on clay. Agassi skipped Wimbledon because of the problem that happened on clay.. Blake had a career threatening injury last year - of course on clay.. Nadal had his stress fracture last year? Surely, on clay. Clay is the outdated, worst, most treacherous surface.. It maybe does not give that much of a wear-and-tear as hardcourts, but if you are talking about major injuries - clay is beyond competition..
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Oh, really? Safin was injured on clay. Agassi skipped Wimbledon because of the problem that happened on clay.. Blake had a career threatening injury last year - of course on clay.. Nadal had his stress fracture last year? Surely, on clay. Clay is the outdated, worst, most treacherous surface.. It maybe does not give that much of a wear-and-tear as hardcourts, but if you are talking about major injuries - clay is beyond competition..
Blake bust his spine on the net post, that could have happened on any surface.

Clay and hard have their share of injuries, but there's still too much of both, and not enough grass.
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Blake bust his spine on the net post, that could have happened on any surface.
No, only on the surface that is slippery.. His feet slipped when he tried to stop after chasing a dropshot.. It would never happen on hardcourts.
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Oh, really? Safin was injured on clay. Agassi skipped Wimbledon because of the problem that happened on clay.. Blake had a career threatening injury last year - of course on clay.. Nadal had his stress fracture last year? Surely, on clay. Clay is the outdated, worst, most treacherous surface.. It maybe does not give that much of a wear-and-tear as hardcourts, but if you are talking about major injuries - clay is beyond competition..
Oh really, how is clay the most dangerous surface? I really shouldn't bother to answer this seriously, but I am going to.

Stich's ankle went in plenty of directions it wasn't on clay, Chesnokov's ankle bone went through his skin it wasn't on clay, so what is your point? Injuries can happen on any surface, considering clay is actually the easiest surface on the joints on the body in general.

Are you actually serious? Then again you are someone who made excuses for guys you don't like winning major champs like downhill slopes, other players didn't give a crap about the tournament etc.

Ok, do a study over the last 5 years of major injuries like 2 months or more out of the game and find out which surface has the most injuries and it won't be clay.

Keep up the good work fountain of misinformation.
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Or maybe being a leftie was an excuse
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Stich's ankle went in plenty of directions it wasn't on clay, Chesnokov's ankle bone went through his skin it wasn't on clay, so what is your point?
Which happened a decade ago.. The technology made hardcourts much safer, easier on joints.. Modern Decoturf-II or hardcourt Greenset are nowhere as hard on joints as previous versions were.. In fact we have some major players missing every Roland Garros or Wimbledon because of being injured on clay. Who missed this US Open other than Safin who is still struggling with an injury that he got .. on clay?

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Jan AUSTRALIAN OPEN - Hard
Feb AMS Buenos Aires - Clay
Mar AMS Monte-Carlo - Clay
Apr AMS Rome - Clay
May ROLAND GARROS - Clay
Jun AMS Hamburg - Grass
Jun WIMBLEDON - Grass
Jul AMS Indian Wells - Hard
Aug AMS Miami - Hard
Sep US OPEN - Hard
Oct AMS Tokyo/Beijing/Moscow - Indoors
Oct AMS Madrid - Indoors
Nov TENNIS MASTERS CUP
Woops, I only included 8 AMS events. Also, I have to concede that IW and Miami can't take place in July/August so here's my revised calendar:

Jan AUSTRALIAN OPEN - Hard
Feb AMS Buenos Aires - Clay
Mar AMS Miami - Hard
Apr AMS Monte-Carlo - Clay
May AMS Rome - Clay
May ROLAND GARROS - Clay
Jun AMS Hamburg - Grass
Jun WIMBLEDON - Grass
Jul AMS Montreal/Toronto - Hard
Aug AMS Cincinatti - Hard
Sep US OPEN - Hard
Oct AMS Tokyo/Beijing/Moscow - Indoors
Oct AMS Madrid - Indoors
Nov TENNIS MASTERS CUP

It's a shame because I prefer Indian Wells to Cincinatti.
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