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Old 09-19-2011, 02:43 PM   #46
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its a brutal era mate. this and the 80`s are up there. i give a slight edge to the 80`s.
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Agassi should be counted in the 90s rather than in the 80s or in the 00s.
Leconte was a huge talent and at times, brilliant to watch but if he were active today, people would call him a choking mug. With all his talent, he doesn't have much to show for it.
Cash and Noah had 1 slam each. You could just as easily bring Roddick, Del Potro, Moya,...to the current table at this rate. (well, Moya is no longer active but has played against the current top players)
Not forgetting Safin and Hewitt with 2 slam titles.

I can understand that people moan about today's players because that's fun but they're getting often too nostalgic about previous players in comparison.
Well, let's compare 1985 with 2011. The year-end top 10 in 1985 was

1 Ivan Lendl
2 John McEnroe
3 Mats Wilander
4 Jimmy Connors
5 Stefan Edberg
6 Boris Becker
7 Yannick Noah
8 Anders Jarryd
9 Miloslav Mecir
10 Kevin Curren

Of these, Lendl eventually won 8 slams (+11 finals), McEnroe 7 (+4), Wilander 7 (+4), Connors 8 (+7), Edberg 6 (+5), Becker 6 (+4), Noah 1 (+0). Mecir & Curren both made 2 slam finals, Jarryd 1 semi (but won 8 doubles slams). So 7 slam winners, 2 other finalists, & a total of 43 slams (82 slam finals overall).

Of the current top 10, Djokovic has 4 slams (+2), Nadal 10 (+4), Federer 16 (+7). So far so good. But there are no other slam winners. Murray has 3 finals, Ferrer 0 (2 semis), Soderling 2, Fish 0 (no semis), Monfils 0 (1 semi? or 2?), Berdych 1, Tsonga 1. 3 slam winners, 4 other finalists, & a total of 30 slams (50 finals overall). Maybe they'll catch up. But I don't see Federer, Nadal, Ferrer, Sod, Fish, Monfils, or Berdych adding significantly to these totals, & I don't think Djoker & Tsonga are going to do it alone.
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i personally believe that 80`s was the toughest era ever.

that said, even i have to study the current dynamics a bit more carefully. when was the last time we had the 3 top players with 30 slams between them.

so that is somethinhg to consider.
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of course its a strong era again now that Federer aint winning
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Well, let's compare 1985 with 2011. The year-end top 10 in 1985 was

1 Ivan Lendl
2 John McEnroe
3 Mats Wilander
4 Jimmy Connors
5 Stefan Edberg
6 Boris Becker
7 Yannick Noah
8 Anders Jarryd
9 Miloslav Mecir
10 Kevin Curren

Of these, Lendl eventually won 8 slams (+11 finals), McEnroe 7 (+4), Wilander 7 (+4), Connors 8 (+7), Edberg 6 (+5), Becker 6 (+4), Noah 1 (+0). Mecir & Curren both made 2 slam finals, Jarryd 1 semi (but won 8 doubles slams). So 7 slam winners, 2 other finalists, & a total of 43 slams (82 slam finals overall).

Of the current top 10, Djokovic has 4 slams (+2), Nadal 10 (+4), Federer 16 (+7). So far so good. But there are no other slam winners. Murray has 3 finals, Ferrer 0 (2 semis), Soderling 2, Fish 0 (no semis), Monfils 0 (1 semi? or 2?), Berdych 1, Tsonga 1. 3 slam winners, 4 other finalists, & a total of 30 slams (50 finals overall). Maybe they'll catch up. But I don't see Federer, Nadal, Ferrer, Sod, Fish, Monfils, or Berdych adding significantly to these totals, & I don't think Djoker & Tsonga are going to do it alone.
Using this as a barometer is as retarded as it comes.
Unless you're 12 you should know that everything in life is relative. And so is the case in sports as well.

Back then tennis was reaching it's first boom so to speak, popularity wise, tennis-wise (IMO) and in other areas as well. Because of this whole idea that everyone that plays these days is a mug and everything was nice and rosey in the 80's people look at that era as the best to have ever been, by far.

It's not like that, not everyone raved about it, not everyone liked the endless rallies between Wilander and Lendl, or Berasategui and Bruguera. Or no one mentions the days when you had some guys that just couldn't put a serve back in court just because the guy on the other side was named Edberg although he was serving as hard as Rochus but placing it better.
The difference back then was that no player was gaining the kind of aura Djokovic has now of invincibility, because the calendar was not that build that way, tennis was not played in a way that would facilitate that.

The slams were more spread out withing the top players back then but their tennis was hardly anything so far out in quality that you would deem the era as the best that would ever be.

People hardly like to face the truth but if you would actually sit down and compare a guy like Wilander with a guy like Simon from nowadays I would guarantee you that a lot of similarities would be found, in everything.

Was Courier that great?...Put his beloved forehand next to what Soderling can crap out on that side and I won't be seeing you open your mouth about tennis for awhile.
There was a myth about tennis back then, because you only had some weekly magazines and some tournaments every year where you could talk and see the sport.
It's now changed in a world of non stop tennis and armchair analysts giving out free insight on what era is best without having a fucking clue or some sort of dim perspective on how this sport evolved over the decades.

I'm gonna judge the players from now on how thick their thighs were at their peak, considering of course that McDonalds was not as popular back then and that dumbbells were of poor quality.
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It's the most one-dimensional era ever. <- that's the only fact worth claiming.

90% of the people on this site have never seen a real clay court match or a grass court one.
Be glad that you have the chance to watch some proper indoor tennis this week in Metz.
Strong era physically. Weak area overall. The quality of this era is no better than what it was 20 years ago, the only difference is racquet technology, surface homogenization and physical fitness. We rarely see any variety in playing style, and when we do see a different style, everyone acts stunned.

No offense but a guy like Almagro can get into the top ten winning a bunch of mug clay events yet have awful results at all the majors & masters (only made 4R at AO and QF at Montreal, nowhere else)

I would check to see what the gap in points now vs in 1985 was, but the ATP has now redesigned the rankings page and completely removed all the data from before 1990

Anyone check on SetSampras by the way?
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Strong era physically.

Weak area overall.

No offense but a guy like Almagro can get into the top ten winning a bunch of mug clay events yet have awful results at all the majors & masters (only made 4R at AO and QF at Montreal, nowhere else)

I would check to see what the gap in points now vs in 1985 was, but the ATP has now redesigned the rankings page and completely removed all the data from before 1990
Ok...grab the 1985 rankings and tell me what you know about the players ranked under Top15.
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of course its a strong era again now that Federer aint winning
The era was super weak in Federer's main years
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Strong era physically. Weak area overall. The quality of this era is no better than what it was 20 years ago, the only difference is racquet technology, surface homogenization and physical fitness. We rarely see any variety in playing style, and when we do see a different style, everyone acts stunned.

No offense but a guy like Almagro can get into the top ten winning a bunch of mug clay events yet have awful results at all the majors & masters (only made 4R at AO and QF at Montreal, nowhere else)

I would check to see what the gap in points now vs in 1985 was, but the ATP has now redesigned the rankings page and completely removed all the data from before 1990

Anyone check on SetSampras by the way?
Almagro fucked up at Roland Garros this year but he is a great claycourter and has reached 2 RG quarters only losing to Nadull albeit being completely and utterly fucked royally by Nadull in 2008. I agree though. He should in theory not be top 10 quality.
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The era was super weak in Federer's main years
Of course it was ....every legend of the game even said so.....Federer was beating mugs in SF and F of GS
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For the best players this is the easiest era ever to dominate.
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For the best players this is the easiest era ever to dominate.
That is just rubbish, the depth now is much better than 10 or 20 years ago.
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Mug like Berdych would never reach a slam final in 90s, let alone 80s.
Yeah, easily a better depth.
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Strongest era physically/athletically, weak era tennis-wise as in ballstriking/tennis ability.

Slow courts everywhere and technology have killed tennis' entertainment value.
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