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Old 08-13-2012, 01:33 PM   #76
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Default Re: Ranking analysis: how safe is Nole's #1?

He can´t be n.1 even if he wins and Fed goes out r1?
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Old 08-13-2012, 01:57 PM   #77
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He can, but that is unlikely, no?
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Old 08-13-2012, 01:58 PM   #78
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Default Re: Ranking analysis: how safe is Nole's #1?

Well after Rosol I dont say unlikely
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Old 08-13-2012, 02:38 PM   #79
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Default Re: Ranking analysis: how safe is Nole's #1?

Actually, Nole will be #1 if he wins Cincy and Fed did not make final But #1 or #2 is not important as long as he defends his points in USO.
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Difficult because Nole's draw is much tougher than Fed's. Though I do want him to win Cincy and USO! And it doesn't matter if Fed makes the Final at Cincy and USO and keeps his no. 1 if Nole wins .

I have been in optimistic mode. Though I feel no pressure and whatever happens really.

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Tbh i don't care about the rankings,as long as he show up for the big events
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Default Re: Ranking analysis: how safe is Nole's #1?

As things stands now, Nole has to defend 3160 for the rest of the season and Roger has to defend 3900.

But Novak has to defend 600 in Cincy and 2000 in the USO. Roger only 180+720. That's why it's unlikely that Nole will get the #1 right after the USO (possible but very unlikely). But after that Roger will have to defend 3000 and Nole only 560. That's when Nole will be able to make lost ground if he stays close to Roger.

Winning the USO title would practically clinch the end-of-year #1.

I would like Nole to end the year as #1. Ending 2 consecutive seasons as #1 would be a really big deal in this era.

But what matters more is for Nole to play well and enjoy his tennis. Then the results will come.
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After the Shanghai Masters

ATP Rankings
Roger 12165 points
Novak 11970 points

2012 Race
Novak 11410 points
Roger 9255 points

Let's assume the worst: that Roger wins Basel, Paris and the WTF undefeated.

Then all Nole needs to do to secure the year-end #1 is: make the semis in Paris and win 2 RR matches in London, or make the finals in Paris and win 1 RR match in London.

Of course, if he wins Paris, then he'll clinch the year-end #1 even before starting the WTF in London. That would be the best scenario: Nole would play London without pressure.

But that's assuming that Roger wins everything: Murray will play Basel, he may beat Roger there and help Nole.

This is the worst case scenario: Roger winning everything, I have the feeling Nole will do very well in Paris and in London, and will start 2013 with a healthy lead. The year-end is not mathematically clinched, but almost.

It could be the first time we have a player defending his year-end #1 successfully since 2007. AJDE NOLE!!
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Old 10-14-2012, 06:26 PM   #84
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Thanks Yolita.

That clarifies it for me.
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After the Shanghai Masters

ATP Rankings
Roger 12165 points
Novak 11970 points

2012 Race
Novak 11410 points
Roger 9255 points

Let's assume the worst: that Roger wins Basel, Paris and the WTF undefeated.

Then all Nole needs to do to secure the year-end #1 is: make the semis in Paris and win 2 RR matches in London, or make the finals in Paris and win 1 RR match in London.

Of course, if he wins Paris, then he'll clinch the year-end #1 even before starting the WTF in London. That would be the best scenario: Nole would play London without pressure.

But that's assuming that Roger wins everything: Murray will play Basel, he may beat Roger there and help Nole.

This is the worst case scenario: Roger winning everything, I have the feeling Nole will do very well in Paris and in London, and will start 2013 with a healthy lead. The year-end is not mathematically clinched, but almost.

It could be the first time we have a player defending his year-end #1 successfully since 2007. AJDE NOLE!!
Ok can you let me know what is the difference between ending year-end #1 and ATP 1? Aren't they the same I presume? I mean, i know what year-end 1 means but I don't understand how does that affect the actual rankings?
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I think year-end number 1 is important because it sums up one's full season in the whole year. During the year, you can talk about the current 52-week rolling ranking, but you won't hear people talking about how A was number 1 in the middle of 200X, only that B was the number 1 in 200X. It's just that much more meaningful - how many years at the top. Of course the total number of weeks at the top means a lot too. Nole should try to get a healthy lead at the end of this year so that he can maintain it next year.
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Ok can you let me know what is the difference between ending year-end #1 and ATP 1? Aren't they the same I presume? I mean, i know what year-end 1 means but I don't understand how does that affect the actual rankings?
Year-end #1 is exactly the ATP #1 the Monday after the last matches from the season (12 or 19 November)

The 52-week Rankings and the Race coincide at the end of the season.

So Nole will be getting his #1 ranking back, and he'll keep it at least until the AO in 2013. If he does well in Paris and London, he could take a healthy lead which would protect his #1 ranking for longer.
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Yolita, I'm not sure the numbers add up... The difference between Nole and fed in the race is 2155, right? So if Fed wins everything(3000), Novak needs 845 points to be #1. But semi in Paris and 2 wtf wins are 360+400=760... am I missing something?
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Ok can you let me know what is the difference between ending year-end #1 and ATP 1? Aren't they the same I presume? I mean, i know what year-end 1 means but I don't understand how does that affect the actual rankings?
This is what people remember, YE#1 it's what stays in the books... the guy who ended the year as #1. And even wehn you have an analysis of a player during a certain year, the raking you will see mentioned is the year end ranking, so if in between he was 5 spots up or down, that's not always mentioned.

It's important for the books, mostly.
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This is what people remember, YE#1 it's what stays in the books... the guy who ended the year as #1. And even wehn you have an analysis of a player during a certain year, the raking you will see mentioned is the year end ranking, so if in between he was 5 spots up or down, that's not always mentioned.

It's important for the books, mostly.
Oh ok thanks girls. I didn't understand how in the atp rankings only 165 points separated them but in the race over 2000. Now I get it.
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