[Action Jackson]

Originally Posted by buddyholly

I am having a hard time imagining how one crazed individual could carry out this attack alone. Is there any news or opinion on the likliehood of more people being involved?

That one arrested was part of the Labor movement. There has been several witnesses saying there was another man with a rifle at Utøya, he had darker hair and didn't use a police uniform.

[Certinfy]

91 now?

[Action Jackson]

Originally Posted by buddyholly

I am having a hard time imagining how one crazed individual could carry out this attack alone. Is there any news or opinion on the likliehood of more people being involved?
However, there is also a report that the suspect bought 6 tons of fertilizer a few weeks ago. It is easy to say now, but when someone purchases a large amount of fertiliser surely there should be a check on its intended use and whether the buyer has the facilities needed to put it to good use.

He had an organic farm, hence he was able to get that much without questions being asked as he had been doing the farming gig.

[cobalt60]

A bit eerie this; 2 days ago my niece sent me pictures from the Oklahoma City Memorial from the bombing there. She was visiting her brother and playing tourist. This tragedy so reminds me of that incident. I hugged my kids extra hard last night.

[ImmzB]

Very sad to hear, and targeting young innocent people!

[abraxas21]

Originally Posted by buddyholly

He sees these tragedies that happen in the ''western civilizations'' as a deserved fate. He thinks they demonstrate that the west is evil and the punishment is just.
Unfortunate that he had to voice his opinions here so soon.

STFU or else stop speaking out of your ass. you have no idea how i feel about this and i dare say i care much more about the lost lives than you do.

[abraxas21]

Originally Posted by Or Levy

Honest to God, we're talking about a camp for the youth of a political organization, I know this is ever-peaceful Norway, but there should have been (real) police forces on that island. 80 dead means this guy was shooting and verifying his killings for a long while.

others will correct me if im wrong but i undestand that the coppers dont carry guns in norway.

[abraxas21]

Originally Posted by Action Jackson

Here is the man responsible.

a right wing extremist with libertarian views. how fucking surprsing.

at least he wasnt a muslim so that the right wing media and clowns like BH could start demonizing the 'muslim terrorists' again.

[abraxas21]

I was working in the information booth on the island.

We were informed by radio of a bombing in Oslo, so we gathered all 700 people on the island together to tell them.

A couple of minutes later we got a phone call to say one policeman was coming on to the shore to see us.

I went to the coffee shop to get supplies for everyone. I then heard gun shots and could see people running. As they were running, they were shot in the back.

People were falling dead right in front of me.

I ran through the campus to the tent area. I saw the gunman - two people started to talk to him and two seconds later they were both shot.

He was wearing a black uniform, with red edges. He looked liked a Nazi, with his police-like uniform and hair.

The gunman was very sure, calm and controlled. He looked like he knew what he was doing. He screamed at us that we would all die.

We all started to run down to the water, people had already undressed and started swimming. I thought I didn't have enough time to take off my clothes, so I started swimming in the rain, in my clothes and big boots.

I went for about 150 metres but the lake is about 800 metres long. I realised I wouldn't make it so I turned back.

I saw him standing 10 metres from me, shooting at the people who were swimming. He aimed his machine gun at me and I screamed at him, 'No please no, don't do it'. I don't know if he listened to me but he spared me.

He came back an hour later. I was with other survivors and we were lying down and hiding behind the trees and rocks. We were freezing in our wet clothes.

The shooting started again and people were falling on top of me, on my legs and falling into the water - that's when many people died. I just had to shield myself behind them, praying he wouldn't see me. In the middle of the shooting I got a bullet in my back.

Then he came closer, I could feel his breath, I could feel his boots, I could feel the warmth of the barrel.

But I didn't move and that's what saved my life. I am now in hospital. It's not the physical pain that's the worst, it's thinking of how many of friends have died.

what a complete nutcase... i cant understand the motivations for doing such a thing.

also pretty damn slow reaction from the norwegian coppers. over an hour went by and still no cops around? i understand they were worried about the oslo thing but come on, over an hour?

[Filo V.]

Originally Posted by abraxas21

a right wing extremist with libertarian views. how fucking surprsing.

at least he wasnt a muslim so that the right wing media and clowns like BH could start demonizing the 'muslim terrorists' again.

No, but this does give more fodder to people who see right-wing attitudes/religious fundamentalism (which are a lot of times very connected) as something that is inherently damaging to those who believe it and society at large.

It really doesn't matter who the attacker is, some people will always find a way to eventually demonize and find blame on the group the attacker was apart of.

[JolánGagó]

unbelievable.

funny many think mankind is progressing, as if evergrowing available data and global panconnection meant something when ppl using all that are the same as they were in the neolithic, intelligent animals.

[abraxas21]

Originally Posted by Filo V.

No, but this does give more fodder to people who see right-wing attitudes/religious fundamentalism (which are a lot of times very connected) as something that is inherently damaging to those who believe it and society at large.

It really doesn't matter who the attacker is, some people will always find a way to eventually demonize and find blame on the group the attacker was apart of.

yes, i actually agree with you here

[JolánGagó]

Originally Posted by Action Jackson

Kinski nailed it, in fact it should help unite the people.

That's the ideal, and what most ppl will try, but experience shows this kind of event always have undesirable consequences.

[Action Jackson]

Originally Posted by abraxas21

a right wing extremist with libertarian views. how fucking surprsing.

at least he wasnt a muslim so that the right wing media and clowns like BH could start demonizing the 'muslim terrorists' again.

If you want to dispute this with holly that's fine, just not in here. I mean the Norwegian press and police were telling people to wait until they find people responsible, not to scapegoat of course some still did it.

What aren't you understanding the police were tied up with the bombing in Oslo, as the people wanted. Can only get to Utøya by boat or helicopter, plus it's 40km away. Think about it, this is not the right time for questioning the police review, but it will happen soon enough.

[Action Jackson]

Originally Posted by JolánGagó

That's the ideal, and what most ppl will try, but experience shows this kind of event always have undesirable consequences.

Obviously there are going to be the core of extremists which exist in all society. There are underlying tensions, which need to be dealt with.