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Old 07-23-2011, 11:15 AM   #46
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What a news to wake up to. Unreal. TMJordan is so spot on.
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The horrible thing is, the casualty number has probably risen just because it was Norway, a country where there is apparently no armed security whatsoever in a summer camp owned by the ruling labor party.

Had this happened in Israel, or probably even in the states, the person would have been taken down or upper handed after several shots, just because we are better prepared.

This is inconceivable for me as an Israeli, but I'm sure it makes a lot of sense for the Norwegians, who never had to deal with anything like that in the past. No history of terrorism (International, domestic or otherwise) there at all. I wonder how things would change for them from now on.

Horrible to hear about kids playing dead (which is what I would have done, probably) only to have this guy verifying his killings.
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For those who don't know the maximum sentence in Norway is 21 years, but can be extended if there is no chance of rehab. Breivik fits this case, should never be released.
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Is there a bigger horror than to be stuck on a bloody deserted island with apparently zero police or security, and a madman with a gun? Fucking hell. My hearts are with those kids and their families.

Honest to God, we're talking about a camp for the youth of a political organization, I know this is ever-peaceful Norway, but there should have been (real) police forces on that island. 80 dead means this guy was shooting and verifying his killings for a long while.
Not everywhere is as security conscious like Israel. There will be questions of the police response to Utøya which lead to Breivik killing people who were in the water trying to get away, but that investigation will come in time.

As for what will change, people go on like before because if they don't, then they'll have lost which won't happen. There will be some extra security around initially. Tough times which they will come through.
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Absolutely horrible, Breivik should rot away in prison for the rest of his life.

Thoughts go out to all people affected...
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As for the security issue irt Utøya, it is also worth noting that when the bomb initially went off outside the government building in downtown Oslo, all available police was called to the site in order to secure other potential targets of terror. So when Breivik started his shooting spree at the island the police was otherwise occupied 40 km away. All the attention was initially directed to the situation in Oslo. Special forces were sent by helicopter when the gravity of the situation at Utøya became obvious, but by the time they finally arrived most of the damage had already been done. It was probably deliberately planned out that way; the bomb, destructive enough in itself, also functioned as a distraction, buying the killer the necessary time he needed to get to his primary destination.
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As for the security issue irt Utøya, it is also worth noting that when the bomb initially went off outside the government building in downtown Oslo, all available police was called to the site in order to secure other potential targets of terror. So when Breivik started his shooting spree at the island the police was otherwise occupied 40 km away. All the attention was initially directed to the situation in Oslo. Special forces were sent by helicopter when the gravity of the situation at Utøya became obvious, but by the time they finally arrived most of the damage had already been done. It was probably deliberately planned out that way; the bomb, destructive enough in itself, also functioned as a distraction, buying the killer the necessary time he needed to get to his primary destination.
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My sympathies go out to all those affected by this horrible incident. There are no words, really. I never cease to be sickened and depressed at our capacity to hurt each other.
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Another Norwegian arrested at Sundvollen, where the people who survived Utøya were gathered.
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Not everywhere is as security conscious like Israel. There will be questions of the police response to Utøya which lead to Breivik killing people who were in the water trying to get away, but that investigation will come in time.

As for what will change, people go on like before because if they don't, then they'll have lost which won't happen. There will be some extra security around initially. Tough times which they will come through.
Of course, I'm aware that not every country is like Israel (and that's a good thing), and people would indeed go on, because that's what people do, and at the end, these things only really remain in your heart once you've lost a loved one.

But I'm sure security wise, some lessons will be learned.
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As for the security issue irt Utøya, it is also worth noting that when the bomb initially went off outside the government building in downtown Oslo, all available police was called to the site in order to secure other potential targets of terror. So when Breivik started his shooting spree at the island the police was otherwise occupied 40 km away. All the attention was initially directed to the situation in Oslo. Special forces were sent by helicopter when the gravity of the situation at Utøya became obvious, but by the time they finally arrived most of the damage had already been done. It was probably deliberately planned out that way; the bomb, destructive enough in itself, also functioned as a distraction, buying the killer the necessary time he needed to get to his primary destination.
The fact that he had managed to execute both events by himself is mind-blowing.
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Of course, I'm aware that not every country is like Israel (and that's a good thing), and people would indeed go on, because that's what people do, and at the end, these things only really remain in your heart once you've lost a loved one.

But I'm sure security wise, some lessons will be learned.
Kinski nailed it, in fact it should help unite the people. Bombing of parliament tied up the police and then Utøya was able to happen.
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Just horrible news, my sympathies go out to all affected.
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Another Norwegian arrested at Sundvollen, where the people who survived Utøya were gathered.
I am having a hard time imagining how one crazed individual could carry out this attack alone. Is there any news or opinion on the likliehood of more people being involved?
However, there is also a report that the suspect bought 6 tons of fertilizer a few weeks ago. It is easy to say now, but when someone purchases a large amount of fertiliser surely there should be a check on its intended use and whether the buyer has the facilities needed to put it to good use.
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