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Old 07-22-2011, 09:58 PM   #16
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I'm half Norwegian on my mother's side, thankfully no family or friends of mine were killed or injured.

I grew up with ETA breathing down our necks (my dad being an Army officer made us primary targets) so I know what it's like to live thinking you could be next, it's simply awful.

My thoughts and prayers to all Norwegians. Vćre sterke, ikke la skurkene vinner.
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Old 07-22-2011, 10:02 PM   #17
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A big Tragedy really. My thoughts are with the families that suffer a dead (or injury) of a family member or a friend.

But now that we know it's not muslam or even foreigner attack, can someone explain what motivate a bomb attack of a norweigan in their own country? I mean, it's not Spain, but do Norway have some kind of ETA?

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Only speculation so far, so take whatever I say with a grain of salt. My initial suspicion was that this could be the work of a right-wing extremist in opposition to the current Labour Party government, since neo-nazism is on the rise here. Another theory is that we're talking about a mentally ill Afghanistan veteran who holds a grudge.
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Is funny how the Americans the media is itching to blame Al quaida or muslims affiliates. Even president Obama's statement was something of a supposed anti-west terrorist group. Without yet nothing confirmed and actual facts not pointing towards this direction. It would make it easier eh, if it wasn't a tall blue eyed Norweigen.
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No matter who's accountable it is just so tragic.
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Only speculation so far, so take whatever I say with a grain of salt. My initial suspicion was that this could be the work of a right-wing extremist in opposition to the current Labour Party government, since neo-nazism is on the rise here. Another theory is that we're talking about a mentally ill Afghanistan veteran who holds a grudge.
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I know it's only speculations, but thanks anyway. Actually, it sounds like a very valid one. There are extremist in right and left wing, but usually, in develloped countries, it's not so common that they get violent in a way to kill people (and from their own country). I guess there are exceptions, and this was a very sad and tragic one
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Deepest sympathies to all Norwegians. I have a few Norwegians in a tech channel I run on IRC, and they're totally devastated, and one guy actually became a new dad today. He was telling us of the huge amount of security at the hospital where his son was born.
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My heart goes out to all Norwegians and people touched by this tragedy.

Naturally this also concerns us Finns after the bombing in Sweden and the possibility of "Norden" becoming a target for terrorism. The only silver lining I see here is that the guy seems to be a right-wing extremist and this is not an Islamic terrorist attack, which would raise security concerns a lot in Finland as well.
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This is messed up. My prayers and thoughts go out to the families involved.
I was in Oslo 3 days ago... just unbelievable.
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sad news

but at the same times it reveals how skewed the western perspectives are. terrorist attacks happen virtually every month in places like iraq and afghanistan and the average joe in the average american town doesn't raise an eyebrow. a terrorist attack happens in a rich western nation and every western dude is talking about it and every western newspapaper has the news on the front page.

someone should tell them terrorists not to bomb more white people
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sad news

but at the same times it reveals how skewed the western perspectives are. terrorist attacks happen virtually every month in places like iraq and afghanistan and the average joe in the average american town doesn't raise an eyebrow. a terrorist attack happens in a rich western nation and every western dude is talking about it and every western newspapaper has the news on the front page.

someone should tell them terrorists not to bomb more white people
This is exactly why rich western nations are targeted, abraxas. It ensures publicity for the culprits in question. If 9/11 taught us anything it is that western lives are valued above anything else. It's sad news indeed, but there you are. Your point is valid, but it doesn't take anything away from the tragedy in question.
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Also, it should show people that right-wing and left-wing (especially ultra far right conservatism, really) is dangerous in itself, just like terrorism is dangerous, and is a potential security threat, and is an even more immediate concern because these are extremists who live in whatever respective country they reside in. We can't always shout "it's those damn Arabs" when incidents like this happen. But it's easier for people to make assumptions that justify their biases, so I doubt things will change mentally for those who think this way.
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but at the same times it reveals how skewed the western perspectives are. terrorist attacks happen virtually every month in places like iraq and afghanistan and the average joe in the average american town doesn't raise an eyebrow. a terrorist attack happens in a rich western nation and every western dude is talking about it and every western newspapaper has the news on the front page.

someone should tell them terrorists not to bomb more white people
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This is exactly why rich western nations are targeted, abraxas. It ensures publicity for the culprits in question. If 9/11 taught us anything it is that western lives are valued above anything else. It's sad news indeed, but there you are. It doesn't take anything away from the tragedy in question, but I cannot dispute the fact that your point is valid.
hmm,


not western lives, but lives of people from rich countries.
not only white people, but also people from rich multi-racial countries or from rich rather ethnically homogenous countries other than white.
not only terrorist attacks, but also fatal accidents and physical disasters.


for instance, nearly two-thirds of the victims of hurricane Katrina in New Orleans were black... got huge publicity...
nuclear disaster in Fukujima and the earthquake that struck Kobe in 1995... both got huge publicity...
the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami would not have gotten such a massive publicity in Europe had not so many foreign (mostly European) tourists been killed...


sadly, lives of people from rich countries are considered more important than all the rest in all possible scenarios.

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terrible tragedy. prayers go out to the families who lost their loved ones.


this is not the right thing to do. why target innocent people.
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targeting guilty people is not the right thing to do either.

there's a system of law and justice...
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