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5/5- Almost 100% spot on, Mr. Groove. I may switch a few around here or there, but good work 62 18.02%
4/5- More or less. I disagree with a few, but not bad at all 146 42.44%
3/5- Hmmmm, I dunno. Some look a bit dicey, mate 49 14.24%
2/5- Are you nuts? Why is X player in Y position? You are completely dissing Z player! 19 5.52%
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Old 10-13-2012, 05:37 PM   #1216
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And where do you believe Djokovic deserve to be? You're happier with 36 than you were with 26?
The only things that Djokovic has are slams and time at number one. So I don't know where you're going with that. If he deserves to be number 36 then so be it.
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Old 10-13-2012, 05:38 PM   #1217
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While I appreciate the effort that has gone into the new list and although it opens up valuable new perspectives, I have to say I much prefer the old list. The difference between them? The new one uses selected numbers to achieve a spurious objectivity, whereas the old one was based on judgment, weighting achievements on a case-by-case basis to take account of the many factors that made them more or less impressive. Gonzales is a perfectly good choice for No. 1, but I don't believe he in any meaningful sense won 20 slams or had 364 weeks at No. 1. You can say he was the best player in the world for longer than anybody else, and that is a big point in his favour, but you can't quantify precisely how many weeks at No. 1 he had in the absence of weekly rankings at the time, & his lengthy domination surely owes something to the fact that during it he played almost exclusively on an extremely fast indoor surface that was tailor-made for his game. How dominant would Nadal have been if 90% of his career had been on clay?
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The only things that Djokovic has are slams and time at number one. So I don't know where you're going with that. If he deserves to be number 36 then so be it.
A reasonable attitude. More possible advancements could also be fun to watch.

And don't worry about Federer, he's not done yet. He'll make #1 here too.
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Default Re: Professor Groove's Top 159 Players Ever (Fed- 3, Nadal- 20, Nole- 36, Murray- 107

Update my top15 all time:

1.Roger Federer (SUI):_(17GS, 6MC, 21 MS, N°1: 2004-2007 y 2009, 17 Grand Slam (record), 7 Wimbledon, 237 semanas consecutivas como N°1 (record), record indiscutido de 290 semanas #1, record mismo GS era open 7 veces (empatado con Nadal y Sampras), Ganador GS carrera 2009, 5 Wimbledon consecutivos (2003-2007), 5 US Open consecutivos (2004-2008), 10 finales consecutivas de GS (record), 23 semifinales consecutivas de GS (record), record vigente de 33 cuartos de final consecutivos en GS, maximo rival: Nadal)

2.Rod Laver (AUS):_ (11GS, 8PS, N°1: 1965-1969, co-numero 1 en 1964 y 1970, Ganador GS amateur 1962, Ganador del Pro Slam en 1967 y único ganador GS era open 1969, 30 de 34 finales de majors entre 1960 y 1969, maximo rival: Rosewall)

3.Pancho Gonzales (USA):_ (2GS,12PS, 7MS, N°1:1954-1959, co-numero 1 en 1952 y 1960, 7 US Pro consecutivos (1953-1959), record de 6 años como #1 del mundo indiscutido, record de 8 años consecutivos como #1 (2 años como co-#1), reconocido unanimemente como el mejor tenista de la era profesional pre-open, máximo rival: Segura, Hoad, Trabert, Sedgman no hay uno en particular)

4.Bill Tilden (USA):_ (10GS, 4PS, 1HCCC, 16MS, N°1: 1920-1921,1923-1925, 1931, co-numero 1 en 1922, 6 US Open consecutivos (1920-1925), 7 Copa Davis, record de 95 victorias consecutivas, 8 GS consecutivos (6 USO + 2WB), reconocido indiscutidamente como el mejor tenista de la primera mitad del siglo XX; maximo rival: Johnston, y en profesionales: Cochet, Lacoste, Budge, Vines, Nusslein, Perry)

5.Ken Rosewall (AUS):_(8GS,15PS,5MS, N°1: 1961-1963, co-numero 1 en 1960,1964 y 1970, jugador con mas Majors de la historia (23), Ganador del Pro Slam en 1963, 26 años como top20, 20 como top10, 12 años como top3, 7 French Pro consecutivos (1960-1966), 6 majors en clay, 8 majors en cesped, 9 majors e indoos, record: mayor diferencia de años entre su primer y último GS (19 años) maximo rival: Laver)

6.Pete Sampras (USA):_(14GS,5MC,11MS, N°1: 1993-1998, 14 Grand Slam, 7 Wimbledon, 4 Wimbledon consecutivos(1997-2000), 286 semanas totales como #1 (2° detrás de federer), record mismo GS era open 7 veces (empatado con Federer y Nadal), mejor % de victorias en finales de GS era open (77,7%; 14/18) empatado con Gonzales en años indiscutido como numero 1 del mundo, maximo rival: Agassi)

7.Bjorn Borg (SUE):_ (11GS,2MC,15MS, N°1: 1978-1980, co-numero 1 en 1977, 5 Wimbledon consecutivos (1976-1980), 3 (RG+ WB) consecutivos 1978-1980, mejor % victorias era open (82,7%) y en torneos GS (89,8%), unico jugador en ganar 3 GS sin perder sets (2RG+WB), mejor % de victorias al llegar a un quinto set, mejor % de victorias sobre top-10 (70,5%, 67-28), maximo rival: McEnroe)

8.Don Budge (USA):_(6GS, 4PS, 6MS, N°1: 1938-1940, 1942, (co-numero 1 en 1937), primer Ganador en ganar el Grand Slam en 1938 ( record junto a Laver), Ganador del PS de carrera en 1940, 6 GS consecutivos, 9 Majors consecutivos (6GS+3PS 1938-1940), mayor cantidad de victorias consecutivas en GS (37 victorias))

9.Ivan Lendl (USA):_(8GS,5MC,22MS,N°1:1985-1987, mayor cantidad de finales perdidas en GS (11), record finales consecutivas en MC(9) y USO (8), unico jugador en la era open en tener por lo menos 28 titulos en 3 superficies distintas (clay, carpeta y hard), mejor racha de partidos en carpeta con 66 (empatado con Mcenroe)

10.Rafael Nadal (ESP):_(11GS,0MC,21MS,1JJOO 2008, 3 CD, N°1: 2008 y 2010, 7 Roland Garros (record era open junto a Sampras y Federer en un mismo GS), 4 RG consecutivos (2005-2008), Ganador GS de carrera mas joven era open (2010), record: ganador de 3 GS consecutivos en 3 superficies distintas (2010), 81 victorias consecutivas en arcilla mejor record masculino era open en una superficie)

11.Jimmy Connors (USA):_(8GS,1MC,17MS, N°1:1974,1976,1982, 3 US Open en 3 superficies distintas (clay americano, pasto y clay), mayor cantidad de titulos y victorias era open 109 y 1242 respectivamente)

12.John McEnroe (USA):_(7GS,3MC,19MS,N°1:1981,1983-1984, Mejor temporada era open 82-3, mejor racha de partidos en carpeta con 66 (empatado con Lendl))

13.André Agassi (USA):_(8GS,1MC,17MS,1JJOO 1996, N°1: 1999, Ganador de GS carrera 1999, unico jugador era open en ganar todos los titulos importantes, jugador mas viejo en retomar el N°1 en la era open a los 33 años)

14.Roy Emerson (AUS):_(12GS, 8 Copa Davis, alcanzó el N°1 en 1964, máximo ganador del AO en 6 ocasiones, 5 seguidas (1963-1967), 3° racha mas larga de la historia: 55 partidos consecutivos)

15.Fred Perry (ING):_(8GS,2PS,3MS,N°1: 1935-1937 y 1941, (1934 numero 1 indiscutido), primer jugador en ganar los 4 Grand Slam (Ganador de GS carrera 1935), primer jugador en lograrlo)
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Default Re: Professor Groove's Top 159 Players Ever (Fed- 3, Nadal- 20, Nole- 36, Murray- 107

Yawn...
Didn't take long for you to change your criteria, so that Fed isn't the undisputed GOAT any more (your own words).
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Johnny congratulations for your new parameters and historical information

But I think that with your new ranking system i think you should consider the weeks with top3, for to have a lower margin of error.

nadal, borg, lendl out of top10? nooo thats impossible.

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Old 10-13-2012, 07:06 PM   #1222
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Boris becker 39° ??????
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Default Re: Professor Groove's Top 159 Players Ever (Fed- 3, Nadal- 20, Nole- 36, Murray- 107

although I didn't think the first list was perfect, the new list is extremely flawed

you are prioritizing the wrong things and it appears almost as though the only thing significant to you now is weeks at #1

some of the order is just insanely flawed now. also you have done so much guess work to give ridiculous credit to players prior to the OPen Era. you have nothing concrete to base those opinions on. no offense but the updated rankings you did (despite it probably taking a good deal of time) you should just remove. it takes away from the respectable first list.

in no fashion is any player besides Roger Federer the #1 player of all time. it's not even a debate, and the fact that you moved him to #3 is very pathetic. as another poster mentioned, Borg behind Lendl? are you on drugs?

Nadal at # 20? ????? the new list blows. you have ruined the weight of perspective in a good best of all time list by prioritizing things of your own bias and preference and also by creating imaginary stats for players (divided tour players)

bad bad bad bad. and Murray at 107.... he's made multiple slam finals, won a slam, won the olympics, many master titles. your new list just doesn't work
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Update my top15 all time:

1.Roger Federer (SUI):_(17GS, 6MC, 21 MS, N°1: 2004-2007 y 2009, 17 Grand Slam (record), 7 Wimbledon, 237 semanas consecutivas como N°1 (record), record indiscutido de 290 semanas #1, record mismo GS era open 7 veces (empatado con Nadal y Sampras), Ganador GS carrera 2009, 5 Wimbledon consecutivos (2003-2007), 5 US Open consecutivos (2004-2008), 10 finales consecutivas de GS (record), 23 semifinales consecutivas de GS (record), record vigente de 33 cuartos de final consecutivos en GS, maximo rival: Nadal)

2.Rod Laver (AUS):_ (11GS, 8PS, N°1: 1965-1969, co-numero 1 en 1964 y 1970, Ganador GS amateur 1962, Ganador del Pro Slam en 1967 y único ganador GS era open 1969, 30 de 34 finales de majors entre 1960 y 1969, maximo rival: Rosewall)

3.Pancho Gonzales (USA):_ (2GS,12PS, 7MS, N°1:1954-1959, co-numero 1 en 1952 y 1960, 7 US Pro consecutivos (1953-1959), record de 6 años como #1 del mundo indiscutido, record de 8 años consecutivos como #1 (2 años como co-#1), reconocido unanimemente como el mejor tenista de la era profesional pre-open, máximo rival: Segura, Hoad, Trabert, Sedgman no hay uno en particular)

4.Bill Tilden (USA):_ (10GS, 4PS, 1HCCC, 16MS, N°1: 1920-1921,1923-1925, 1931, co-numero 1 en 1922, 6 US Open consecutivos (1920-1925), 7 Copa Davis, record de 95 victorias consecutivas, 8 GS consecutivos (6 USO + 2WB), reconocido indiscutidamente como el mejor tenista de la primera mitad del siglo XX; maximo rival: Johnston, y en profesionales: Cochet, Lacoste, Budge, Vines, Nusslein, Perry)

5.Ken Rosewall (AUS):_(8GS,15PS,5MS, N°1: 1961-1963, co-numero 1 en 1960,1964 y 1970, jugador con mas Majors de la historia (23), Ganador del Pro Slam en 1963, 26 años como top20, 20 como top10, 12 años como top3, 7 French Pro consecutivos (1960-1966), 6 majors en clay, 8 majors en cesped, 9 majors e indoos, record: mayor diferencia de años entre su primer y último GS (19 años) maximo rival: Laver)

6.Pete Sampras (USA):_(14GS,5MC,11MS, N°1: 1993-1998, 14 Grand Slam, 7 Wimbledon, 4 Wimbledon consecutivos(1997-2000), 286 semanas totales como #1 (2° detrás de federer), record mismo GS era open 7 veces (empatado con Federer y Nadal), mejor % de victorias en finales de GS era open (77,7%; 14/18) empatado con Gonzales en años indiscutido como numero 1 del mundo, maximo rival: Agassi)

7.Bjorn Borg (SUE):_ (11GS,2MC,15MS, N°1: 1978-1980, co-numero 1 en 1977, 5 Wimbledon consecutivos (1976-1980), 3 (RG+ WB) consecutivos 1978-1980, mejor % victorias era open (82,7%) y en torneos GS (89,8%), unico jugador en ganar 3 GS sin perder sets (2RG+WB), mejor % de victorias al llegar a un quinto set, mejor % de victorias sobre top-10 (70,5%, 67-28), maximo rival: McEnroe)

8.Don Budge (USA):_(6GS, 4PS, 6MS, N°1: 1938-1940, 1942, (co-numero 1 en 1937), primer Ganador en ganar el Grand Slam en 1938 ( record junto a Laver), Ganador del PS de carrera en 1940, 6 GS consecutivos, 9 Majors consecutivos (6GS+3PS 1938-1940), mayor cantidad de victorias consecutivas en GS (37 victorias))

9.Ivan Lendl (USA):_(8GS,5MC,22MS,N°1:1985-1987, mayor cantidad de finales perdidas en GS (11), record finales consecutivas en MC(9) y USO (8), unico jugador en la era open en tener por lo menos 28 titulos en 3 superficies distintas (clay, carpeta y hard), mejor racha de partidos en carpeta con 66 (empatado con Mcenroe)

10.Rafael Nadal (ESP):_(11GS,0MC,21MS,1JJOO 2008, 3 CD, N°1: 2008 y 2010, 7 Roland Garros (record era open junto a Sampras y Federer en un mismo GS), 4 RG consecutivos (2005-2008), Ganador GS de carrera mas joven era open (2010), record: ganador de 3 GS consecutivos en 3 superficies distintas (2010), 81 victorias consecutivas en arcilla mejor record masculino era open en una superficie)

11.Jimmy Connors (USA):_(8GS,1MC,17MS, N°1:1974,1976,1982, 3 US Open en 3 superficies distintas (clay americano, pasto y clay), mayor cantidad de titulos y victorias era open 109 y 1242 respectivamente)

12.John McEnroe (USA):_(7GS,3MC,19MS,N°1:1981,1983-1984, Mejor temporada era open 82-3, mejor racha de partidos en carpeta con 66 (empatado con Lendl))

13.André Agassi (USA):_(8GS,1MC,17MS,1JJOO 1996, N°1: 1999, Ganador de GS carrera 1999, unico jugador era open en ganar todos los titulos importantes, jugador mas viejo en retomar el N°1 en la era open a los 33 años)

14.Roy Emerson (AUS):_(12GS, 8 Copa Davis, alcanzó el N°1 en 1964, máximo ganador del AO en 6 ocasiones, 5 seguidas (1963-1967), 3° racha mas larga de la historia: 55 partidos consecutivos)

15.Fred Perry (ING):_(8GS,2PS,3MS,N°1: 1935-1937 y 1941, (1934 numero 1 indiscutido), primer jugador en ganar los 4 Grand Slam (Ganador de GS carrera 1935), primer jugador en lograrlo)
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Much more disagreements than agreements about the new list. I think this a signal Groove.
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You've put Andy Murray too high in the list.

Nadal should be in the top 10 at least.
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While I appreciate the effort that has gone into the new list and although it opens up valuable new perspectives, I have to say I much prefer the old list. The difference between them? The new one uses selected numbers to achieve a spurious objectivity, whereas the old one was based on judgment, weighting achievements on a case-by-case basis to take account of the many factors that made them more or less impressive. Gonzales is a perfectly good choice for No. 1, but I don't believe he in any meaningful sense won 20 slams or had 364 weeks at No. 1. You can say he was the best player in the world for longer than anybody else, and that is a big point in his favour, but you can't quantify precisely how many weeks at No. 1 he had in the absence of weekly rankings at the time, & his lengthy domination surely owes something to the fact that during it he played almost exclusively on an extremely fast indoor surface that was tailor-made for his game. How dominant would Nadal have been if 90% of his career had been on clay?

Totally agree with this.

What's baffling is, JG put so much importance on weeks at #1, and yet, he assigned fictitious weeks to Pancho Gonzales.
He gave Gonzales 364 weeks, and he assumed that Gonzales was constantly # from 1 January 1, 1954 to December 31, 1960.

Any casual fan of tennis would have known that Gonzales retired in May 1960 (and unretired in 30 december 1960), thus making the 364 weeks completely fictitious, and don't get me started on those tournaments or matches during 1954 to 1960 where other players such as sedgman, hoad, rosewall, etc could have stolen #1 for a few weeks at any time.
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Update dec 2012...

TOP32 ALL TIME...

1.Roger Federer (SUI)17GS (record), 6MC (record), 21 MS (record con Nadal), 77 titulos, N°1: 2004-2007 y 2009, 17 Grand Slam (record), 7 Wimbledon ( empatado con Renshaw y Sampras ), 237 semanas consecutivas como N°1 (record), record indiscutido de 302 semanas como número 1 del mundo, record mismo GS era open 7 veces (empatado con Nadal y Sampras), Ganador GS carrera 2009, 5 Wimbledon consecutivos (2003-2007), 5 US Open consecutivos (2004-2008), 10 finales consecutivas de GS (record), 23 semifinales consecutivas de GS (record), record vigente de 33 cuartos de final consecutivos en GS, 41 victorias consecutivas en Wimbledon (empatado con Borg); 41 victorias consecutivas en US Open (record); unico jugador en llegar por lo menos a 5 finales en todos los Grand Slam; 4° jugador con mas titulos ATP (76), jugador con mas victorias en Grand Slam, Masters Cup y Masters Series, maximo rival: Nadal)


2.Rod Laver (AUS): (11GS, 8PS, N°1: 1965-1969, participó en el Tour Profesional pre open en el periodo (1963-1967); fue co-numero 1 en 1964 y 1970, Ganador GS amateur 1962, Ganador del Pro Slam en 1967 y único ganador GS era open 1969, 30 de 34 finales de majors entre 1960 y 1969, maximo rival: Rosewall)



3.Pete Sampras (USA)14GS,5MC,11MS, N°1: 1993-1998, 14 Grand Slam, 7 Wimbledon, 4 Wimbledon consecutivos(1997-2000), 286 semanas totales como #1 (2° detrás de federer), record mismo GS era open 7 veces (empatado con Federer y Nadal), mejor % de victorias en finales de GS era open (77,7%; 14/18) empatado con Gonzales en años indiscutido como numero 1 del mundo (6), unico jugador en finalizar 6 años consecutivos como numero 1 del mundo en la Era Open; unico jugador en ganar 7 de 7 en Wimbledon, maximo rival: Agassi)


4.Björn Börg (SUE): (11GS,2MC,15MS, N°1: 1978-1980, co-numero 1 en 1977, 5 Wimbledon consecutivos (1976-1980), 3 (RG+ WB) consecutivos 1978-1980, mejor % victorias era open (82,7%) mejor % de victorias en torneos GS: 141-17 (89,2%); mejor % de victorias en Wimbledon 51-4 (92,72%); % mas alto de GS ganados (11/27), 40,7%; 41 victorias consecutivas en Wimbledon (empatado con Federer); mejor % de games ganados en GS (3066-1973): 60,8%; unico jugador en ganar 3 GS sin perder sets (2RG+WB), 33 victorias consecutivas en Copa Davis (record) 3° mejor % de victorias al llegar a un quinto set, mejor % de victorias sobre top-10 (70,5%, 67-28), maximo rival: McEnroe)


5.Pancho Gonzales (USA): (2GS,15PS, 7MS, N°1:1954-1959, participó en el Tour Profesional pre open en el periodo (1950-1967) co-numero 1 en 1952 y 1960, record de 8 US Pro (empatado con Rosewall como jugador con mayor cantidad de un mismo Majors); 7 US Pro consecutivos (1953-1959), record de 6 años como #1 del mundo indiscutido, record de 8 años consecutivos como #1 (2 años como co-#1), jugador con mas finales de un mismo majors (12 finales de US Pro) jugador mas veterano en ganar un titulo ATP (43 años), reconocido unanimemente como el mejor tenista de la era profesional pre-open, máximo rival: no hay uno en particular a lo largo de su carrera jugo contra: Laver, Rosewall, Kramer, Budge, Segura, Hoad, Trabert, Sedgman).


6.Bill Tilden (USA): (10GS, 4PS, 1HCCC, 16MS, N°1: 1920-1921,1923-1925, 1931, co-numero 1 en 1922, 6 US Open consecutivos (1920-1925), 7 Copa Davis, record de 95 victorias consecutivas, 8 GS consecutivos (6 USO + 2WB), reconocido indiscutidamente como el mejor tenista de la primera mitad del siglo XX; maximo rival: Johnston, y en profesionales: Cochet, Lacoste, Budge, Vines, Nusslein, Perry)


7.Ken Rosewall (AUS)8GS,15PS,5MS, N°1: 1961-1963, participó en el Tour Profesional pre open en el periodo (1957-1967) co-numero 1 en 1960,1964 y 1970, jugador con mas Majors de la historia (23), Ganador del Pro Slam en 1963, 26 años como top20, 20 como top10, 12 años como top3, 7 French Pro consecutivos (1960-1966), record de 8 French Pro (empatado con Gonzales como jugador con mayor cantidad de un mismo Majors); 6 majors en clay, 8 majors en cesped, 9 majors e indoos, record: mayor diferencia de años entre su primer y último GS (19 años), jugador mas joven en ganar el Australian Open (18 años), unico jugador en ganar torneos de Grand Slam en 3 decadas diferentes, jugador mas veterano en ganar un GS (37 años), maximo rival: Laver)


8.Ivan Lendl (USA): (8GS,5MC,22MS (record),N°1:1985-1987, mayor cantidad de finales perdidas en GS (11), record finales consecutivas en MC(9) y USO (8), unico jugador en la era open en tener por lo menos 28 titulos en 3 superficies distintas, 10 años consecutivos como top5; (clay, carpeta y hard), mejor racha de partidos en carpeta con 66 (empatado con Mcenroe)


9.Rafael Nadal (ESP): (11GS,0MC,21MS (record con Federer),1JJOO 2008, 3 CD, N°1: 2008 y 2010, 7 Roland Garros (record era open junto a Sampras y Federer en un mismo GS), 4 RG consecutivos (2005-2008), Ganador GS de carrera mas joven era open (2010), record: ganador de 3 GS consecutivos en 3 superficies distintas (2010), 81 victorias consecutivas en arcilla mejor record masculino era open en una superficie)

10.Jimmy Connors (USA)8GS,1MC,17MS, N°1:1974,1976,1982, 3 US Open en 3 superficies distintas (clay americano, pasto y clay), mayor cantidad de titulos y victorias era open 109 y 1242 respectivamente, record de 15 años consecutivos como top10 era open; record de 16 años consecutivos como top10, record de 12 años consecutivos como top5 era open, record de 30 titulos sin perder un solo set)



11.Don Budge (USA)6GS, 4PS, 6MS, N°1: 1938-1940, 1942, (co-numero 1 en 1937), primer Ganador en ganar el Grand Slam en 1938 ( record junto a Laver), Ganador del PS de carrera en 1940, 6 GS consecutivos, 9 Majors consecutivos (6GS+3PS 1938-1940), mayor cantidad de victorias consecutivas en GS (37 victorias, jugador mas joven en ganar el Grand Slam (22 años))

12.André Agassi (USA)8GS,1MC,17MS,1JJOO 1996, N°1: 1999, Ganador de GS carrera 1999, unico jugador era open en ganar todos los titulos importantes, jugador mas viejo en retomar el N°1 en la era open a los 33 años)

13.John McEnroe (USA): (7GS,3MC,19MS,N°1:1981,1983-1984, Mejor temporada era open 82-3, mejor racha de partidos en carpeta con 66 (empatado con Lendl)[/size]

14.Roy Emerson (AUS): (12GS, 8 Copa Davis, alcanzó el N°1 en 1964, máximo ganador del AO en 6 ocasiones, 5 seguidas (1963-1967), 3° racha mas larga de la historia: 55 partidos consecutivos)

15.Fred Perry (ING)8GS,2PS,3MS,N°1: 1935-1937 y 1941, (1934 numero 1 indiscutido), primer jugador en ganar los 4 Grand Slam (Ganador de GS carrera 1935), primer jugador en lograrlo)

16.Williams Renshaw (ING): (7GS,N°1:1881-1886, ganador de 6 Wimbledon seguidos (1881-1886); 7 Wimbledon (empatado con Federer y Sampras), el último GS en 1889)

17.Jack Kramer (USA): (3GS, 2PS, N°1: 1948,1949,1951 y 1953, co-numero 1 del mundo en 1950 y 1952)

18.Lawrence Doherty (ING): (6GS,JJOO: 1900, N°1: 1903-1906, co-numero 1 en 1902, 4 Copa Davis (1903-1906), 5 Wimbledon consecutivos (1902-1906), Mejor año 1903 (ganó todos los majors importantes), durante su carrera RG lo disputaban solo franceses, y el AO comenzó recién en 1905)

19.Henry Cochet (FRA): (7GS,1PS, 1WHCC,2WCCh, 17MS, JJOO: Plata 1924, N°1: 1928-1930, Ganador de 6 Copa Davis con Francia, nunca jugó AO)

20.Boris Becker (ALE)6GS,3MC,13MS, alcanzó N°1 en 1991, Jugador mas joven en ganar Wimbledon a los 17 años)

21.Ellsworth Vines (USA): (3GS, 5PS, N°1: 1932, co-numero 1 en 1935-1937, venció en finales de Majors a Tilden, Perry, Cochet, solo perdió 2 finales contra Budge (Crawford (WB en 1933) y French Pro 1939)

22.Stefan Edberg (SUE)6GS,1MC,8MS, 1JJOO 1984, N°1:1990-1991, Quedó a 1 set de lograr el GS de carrera (perdió RG 1989 con Chang) y lograr el hito de Agassi)

23.Bobby Riggs (USA): (3GS,3PS,N°1: en el período de la SGM (1943-1945) y 1946, Mejor jugador de la década de los ´40 junto a Budge)

24.Mats Wilander (SUE)7GS,0MC, 8MS,N°1: 1988, 1 de 6 jugadores en ganar 3 GS en una misma temporada en la era open)

25.Tony Wilding (NZL): (6GS,5MS,1WCCH,1WCCC,N°1: 1913, co-numero 1 en 1911 y 1912, 4 Wimbledon consecutivos (1910-1913), mejor Neozelandés de la historia)

26.Novak Djokovic (SERB): (5GS,2MC,13MS,1JJOO bronce,1CD, N°1: 2011-2012, 3 AO, 3 GS y 5 MS en 2011, 43 partidos ganados consecutivos, 27 partidos consecutivos ganados en GS consecutivos, (WB2011-RG2012 empatado con Federer)

27.Lew Hoad (AUS): (4GS, 1 PS, alcanzó el numero 1 del mundo en 1956, 1 de 4 jugadores en ganar los primeros 3 GS de la temporada (AO+RG+WB) en 1956 ( con Budge, Laver y Crawford), perdió 7 finales de Pro Slam todas contra Gonzales y Rosewall en 6/7, donde ambos fueron # 1 indiscutidos)

28.John Newcombe (AUS): (7GS,4CD, fue co-número 1 del mundo en 1970-1971, 3 WB, 2 USO Y 2 AO)

29.René Lacoste (FRA): (7GS,N°1: 1926 Y 1927, 3 RG, 2 WB, 2 USO y 2 CD, venció en finales de Majors a Tilden y Cochet)

30.Jack Crawford (AUS): (6GS, N°1: 1933, 3 GS en 1933, estuvo a 1 set de ganar el GS ese año, durante 73 años fue record de finales consecutivas de GS con 7, superado por Federer el 2007)

31.Illie Nastase (RUM): (2GS,4MC,4MS,57 titulos, N°1: 1973, 2GS, 2 finales de WB, primer número 1 del ranking atp

32.Guillermo Vilas (ARG): (4GS,1MC,5MS, 16 titulos en 1977 (record), 52 partidos consecutivos ganados (record era open), 923 partidos ganados (3° detrás de connors y lendl)
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Default Re: Professor Groove's Top 159 Players Ever (Fed- 3, Nadal- 20, Nole- 36, Murray- 107

Both lists are abysmal.
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Groove, when you are making a rang list number 3 is actually smaller than number 1 so please fix this up. Thank you
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