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Old 10-12-2012, 10:14 PM   #1171
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There is too much imprecision here, nothing really official, and a lot of strange approximations from eras lacking a lot of facts. But it's your thread, so this your list, your view on the best players ever, and the effort is to be appreciated.
Yeah, this.
The rationale behind converting years into weeks just doesn't work at all tbh. Your previous list was more interesting to read.
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Below Moya? Ferrero? A buch of clowns I've never heard of?
Yes. Moya and Ferrero both reached #1, something Murray has not yet done.

And just cause they are clowns you have never heard of doesn't mean they are mugs, it means you have some learning to do.
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Actually, it would be extremely nice if you could expand your list with comments like you did before, mention pros and cons, detail your calculations. Would get more appreciation from the people that got used to your old list.
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Whoa, what happend here!?
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I think it was fine.

You think so? Imho Gaudio was a complete fluke... Do you think unheard players such as "Butch Buchholz" should go ahead of Rios?
You don't know who Butch Buchholz was?

He was one of the Handsome Eight! One of the reasons Open Era tennis finally came to be in the late 60's.

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Yeah, this.
The rationale behind converting years into weeks just doesn't work at all tbh.
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Maybe later in time I will do this, but now, I am just glad all the stats are there.

Maybe I will even do a tiny bio of all 160 players, in time, but for now, the list is what the list is.
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I just feel better now with this list than I did with the old list, which felt incomplete. Even though my favorite, Nadal, was pushed from 9th down to 20th, I still feel better about this list. People may disagree, but hey, people disagreed with my original list as well.
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He was one of the Handsome Eight! One of the reasons Open Era tennis finally came to be in the late 60's.

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OK... Thanks for the new info now I guess I just picked the wrong person, but my point is that there are so many unheard of players ahead of Rios, and even if this Buchholz guy had a big impact on Tennis, do you think he had a better career than him?
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I just feel better now with this list than I did with the old list, which felt incomplete. Even though my favorite, Nadal, was pushed from 9th down to 20th, I still feel better about this list. People may disagree, but hey, people disagreed with my original list as well.
The problem is if people who agreed with your original list will disagree with the new list. You're losing customers, which is bad for business.

Also, when expanding a list, the given last number will always be insufficient. Any true perfectionist will always see a way to further complete a "complete list".
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Yes. Moya and Ferrero both reached #1, something Murray has not yet done.

And just cause they are clowns you have never heard of doesn't mean they are mugs, it means you have some learning to do.
No.1 in weak era. Some people on that list must have played in an era where there was only about 3 tennis players in the world. You can't rate their achievements on paar with those of today.

You also have to take into account the number of slam finals Andy has been in, Olympics gold, amazing number of masters, consitent top 4 ranking and consistent slam performance etc.
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You also have to take into account the number of slam finals Andy has been in, Olympics gold, amazing number of masters, consitent top 4 ranking and consistent slam performance etc.
Even that is highly subjective. Some people don't consider Olympics for anything, some consider WTF on par with slams, some consider Masters more than others. You can't have MTF actually agree with an objective universal system with which to create an all-time best tennis player list. You can go ahead an make your own, with your own appreciations. If people agree with it, you win a few points yourself. There is no point in complaining about someone's own view on tennis, especially if it says so in the title.

Say, wasn't there a thread around here where one would give out the importance for every type of tournament and a table of the all-time best 10 players would be generated by a user ? Don't really remember who made it though.
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OK... Thanks for the new info now I guess I just picked the wrong person, but my point is that there are so many unheard of players ahead of Rios, and even if this Buchholz guy had a big impact on Tennis, do you think he had a better career than him?
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The problem is if people who agreed with your original list will disagree with the new list. You're losing customers, which is bad for business.

Also, when expanding a list, the given last number will always be insufficient. Any true perfectionist will always see a way to further complete a "complete list".
Bad for business? What am I selling? Page views for vcash?

Perhaps I am not a perfectionist, then. With this list, I have spent as much time as I want on it as of now. Maybe I will go back and edit further, but for now, I'm through.

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No.1 in weak era. Some people on that list must have played in an era where there was only about 3 tennis players in the world. You can't rate their achievements on paar with those of today.

You also have to take into account the number of slam finals Andy has been in, Olympics gold, amazing number of masters, consitent top 4 ranking and consistent slam performance etc.
This is all very subjective, and if you want to drive yourself into a mental institution breaking down all of that, what would be the 1930's equal to Shanghai? Go right ahead.

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Even that is highly subjective. Some people don't consider Olympics for anything, some consider WTF on par with slams, some consider Masters more than others. You can't have MTF actually agree with an objective universal system with which to create an all-time best tennis player list. You can go ahead an make your own, with your own appreciations. If people agree with it, you win a few points yourself. There is no point in complaining about someone's own view on tennis, especially if it says so in the title.

Say, wasn't there a thread around here where one would give out the importance for every type of tournament and a table of the all-time best 10 players would be generated by a user ? Don't really remember who made it though.
Exactly. People are free to create their own list, I have no objections. But this one is my own personal ideas on the subject.
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Throw a couple of weeks my way and I'll totes back you up Renshaw won't miss a couple.
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OK then, have fun. It just seems like now no-one likes it whereas a lot of people liked the old way
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Finally, I can exhale.

Now, for the coming AO, and for the #1 battle with Fed and Djokovic:

Federer needs 6 more weeks at #1 or 1 more slam to pass Laver for #2.
If Djokovic wins the AO and gets #1 for another 17 weeks to get to 70 weeks, he will get to #32 all time.
If Murray wins the AO, he will jump up to #84 of all time.
If Nadal can miraculously get back and wins the AO, he will get up to #19, one spot. Nadal needs weeks at #1 more than anything.
Just read your new list. The fact is, however, that Gonzalez never won a clay slam. Tilden one a single French Pro, though I am not sure if it was on clay. Federer only had one clay slam, a year that he did not have to face Nadal, though I do agree that he is a great clay court player. Just out of curiosity, are you still including Amateur era? If so, Rosewall should have 23 Slams. If not, you have to take away 4 slams from Ken, 5 from Laver and 2 from Gonzalez. Well, at least you got Ken back into the top 5, though I think he should be above Tilden and should be credited with about 300 weeks @ #1. Lets face it, the ranking system in tennis has been rather questionable over the years, especially before the open era.
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Jesus this list is a disgrace.....Fed at 3.........yes those two mugs at 1 and 2 are better than him.....they might have even won a game or two against him if they ever played against each other.Those players in the 60' cant be compared to modern players Groove.They are worse in every single way
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