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Old 09-20-2012, 08:00 PM   #961
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Sampras v Murray on Clay what a poor match
Murray is far better on clay than Sampras ever was (I've seen a few of his matches on clay and he was awful). Andy would thrash him, or at least win in straights.
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Murray is far better on clay than Sampras ever was (I've seen a few of his matches on clay and he was awful). Andy would thrash him, or at least win in straights.
Agreed, Murray's return would be more effective v Sampras on hard. In fact I'll be honest Murray's return is perfect against Sampras full stop. But Sampras would win 2 sets, His serve and forehand were dangerous on any surface.

Sampras v Murray at 2005 USO surface would be great.
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Agreed, Murray's return would be more effective v Sampras on hard. In fact I'll be honest Murray's return is perfect against Sampras full stop. But Sampras would win 2 sets, His serve and forehand were dangerous on any surface.

Sampras v Murray at 2005 USO surface would be great.
On hardcourt, Andy would win most encounter with difficulty. On grass, we all know who wins. On clay, Andy thrashes Sampras.
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On hardcourt, Andy would win most encounter with difficulty. On grass, we all know who wins. On clay, Andy thrashes Sampras.
Agreed. Andy would make mincemeat of SampClown at Wimbledon.

Let's be honest if you lose a set to Henman your rubbish. Frankly Mugpras has about as much grass game as Rosewall, ie none.

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Agreed. Hewitt would like wise be utter hell for post peak Laver and Rosewall IMO.

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Sampras won Rome on slow clay. Come back to me when Mandy wins a clay masters title. The guy is one of the biggest clay clowns I have ever seen, given his movement. He plays on clay like it's hard court. Simply awful.
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Sorry, but you're only going on achievements. You should go on technical ability and off court antics. Bill Tilden shouldn't even be talked about after his 'antics' and shouldn't be on that list.
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Sorry, but you're only going on achievements. You should go on technical ability and off court antics. Bill Tilden shouldn't even be talked about after his 'antics' and shouldn't be on that list.
Technical ability?

Rios, Nalbandian and Safin would all be elevated quite far if we counted that. But we don't.
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Sorry, but you're only going on achievements. You should go on technical ability and off court antics. Bill Tilden shouldn't even be talked about after his 'antics' and shouldn't be on that list.
Technical ability is why Murray is awful on clay - forehand being one of the reasons.
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Technical ability is why Murray is awful on clay - forehand being one of the reasons.
Best player on clay you'd compare him to would be Hewitt- similar games, similar deficiencies on the surface. Decent results, but not going to be threatening the big guns.
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Best player on clay you'd compare him to would be Hewitt- similar games, similar deficiencies on the surface. Decent results, but not going to be threatening the big guns.
Hewitt was actually very close to beating Nadal on clay in 2007 and plays a lot differently to Murray - Hewitt hits on the rise, hits a better slice, hits a flatter ball and can change directions pretty well. Murray doesn't take the ball as consistently early as Hewitt and his point construction is a lot more different than Hewitt.
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Technical ability is why Murray is awful on clay - forehand being one of the reasons.
What an ignorant comment. So you're saying Moya and Gaudio are technically ahead of Krajicek because they have had better success on clay? Great to know.



May as well say Muster has more technical ability than Safin too. Lol.
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What an ignorant comment. So you're saying Moya and Gaudio are technically ahead of Krajicek because they have had better success on clay? Great to know.
Considering Krajicek was a mindless serve bot with limited ground game, I'd say yes.

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Sampras won Rome on slow clay. Come back to me when Mandy wins a clay masters title. The guy is one of the biggest clay clowns I have ever seen, given his movement. He plays on clay like it's hard court. Simply awful.
Did you even watch that tournament? It was playing ultrafast, just because some nostalgitards repeat over and over again that clay was slower back then doesnt mean it was always the case. What next, you are going to say RG 96 and 99 was slow?

Give me a break, the final between Becker and Sampras didnt resemble claycourt tennis in any way.
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Did you even watch that tournament? It was playing ultrafast, just because some nostalgitards repeat over and over again that clay was slower back then doesnt mean it was always the case. What next, you are going to say RG 96 and 99 was slow?

Give me a break, the final between Becker and Sampras didnt resemble claycourt tennis in any way.
Madrid plays faster than some hard courts today, certainly faster than Rome back then and Mugray still fails there, what is your point? My comment wasn't meant to praise Sampras' clay prowess, anyway. It was a response to the delusional kid who thinks Mandy would "destroy" Pete on clay in straights.
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