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Old 07-07-2011, 03:14 AM   #46
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Had the courts been this slow in the 80s Lendl would have ruled Wimbledon for years.
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you need to go lower nadal and put it on a blog dude...

then f**king get off the computer and go hit some... ffs
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Good to see some constructive debate in here, wonders how long it will last.
Johnny Groove has definitely matured as a poster. A few years ago, this thread would have turned out differently. Well played, Johnny.

On another note, can you rank each of the 55 relative to their ability to win the coin toss?
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Lendl didn't like being rushed on grass and Cash exploited it in the 87 final.

Agassi also had a bit of luck to get his CGS, although the surface difference then was vast. The funny thing is Agassi would love today's conditions- faster clay and slower grass are right up his street.

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As I was saying clearly its very subjective talking about the best players ever. Slams, weeks #1, record against top players,level of competition, big titles like master series and WTF's, davis cup. So much goes into it. With those two its pretty clear though, imo.
guga2120 indirectly praising Federer.
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Lendl on this grass would win Wimbledon multiple times and Nadal playing on very fast and low bounce grass wouldn't. However since they are products of their particular environments, got to take it within their own sphere.
You state those things like they are facts.

And on Rafa winning with a fast ball on fast court, did you watch the US Open last year?
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I don't think the speed of the court hurt Lendl at Wimbledon so much as the bad bounces.

I don't know if Lendl playing in this era would win a Wimbledon vs. Fed/Nadal/Djokovic. Then again, if the courts were slower in the 80's, guys like Becker/Edberg/Connors/McEnroe would surely have played differently.


Yes of course I am aware of the surface homogenization. I also know that if the courts in the 80's were as they were today, the top guys of that time would all play differently. Would Lendl have won Wimbledon in that scenario? Who knows.

Would you rate Agassi higher than 14?
Lendl wasn't as good as Borg, so he couldn't win Wimbledon against the guys he was playing against from the baseline. The surface at the time had a lot to do with that. The same that helped Nadal winning Wimbledon. Lendl would be a multi Wimbledon champ on this grass.

Agassi is fine where he is.
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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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Good point. Coin toss list please.
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guga2120 indirectly praising Federer.
What I am praising is Rafa's record in slam finals vs Lendls's and Rafa's record against the best players, and I do not doubt Federer's skills on the court, he is great. He just happens to be an arrogant pratt.
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Rocket Rod Laver always elected to receive serve if winning the coin toss and he is rated #1 player of all time..hmmm

But seriously great thread Johnny, interesting read.
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Johnny Groove has definitely matured as a poster. A few years ago, this thread would have turned out differently. Well played, Johnny.
Well I certainly hope to have matured between the ages of 16 and 21

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It is common knowledge that William Renshaw never lost a coin toss.

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Lendl didn't like being rushed on grass and Cash exploited it in the 87 final.

Agassi also had a bit of luck to get his CGS, although the surface difference then was vast. The funny thing is Agassi would love today's conditions- faster clay and slower grass are right up his street.

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Becker did it too in the 86 final and in a few semis in other years. How would Lendl do on 2011 grass vs. Fed/Nadal/Djokovic?

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You state those things like they are facts.

And on Rafa winning with a fast ball on fast court, did you watch the US Open last year?
I do hope Nadal adds to his resume. Another year or two as world #1 and a few more slams would put Rafa, my favorite all time player, I fully admit to bias, firmly into the top 10.

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Lendl wasn't as good as Borg, so he couldn't win Wimbledon against the guys he was playing against from the baseline. The surface at the time had a lot to do with that. The same that helped Nadal winning Wimbledon. Lendl would be a multi Wimbledon champ on this grass.

Agassi is fine where he is.
Not too sure about that. Lendl would have to maneuver Fedalovic.

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Good point. Coin toss list please.
Are we talking coin toss era or pre coin toss era, where they flipped whatever was readily available? Racquet, chair, hat, wife?
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Suggesting how Lendl would do now would be difficult due to the difference in racket technology. Djoker's game is based on his except maybe a bit more defensive than Lendl was.
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Not too sure about that. Lendl would have to maneuver Fedalovic.
Considering I was talking about Lendl's peers on todays grass, hardly any bad bounces. Tailor made for the Ostrava man.
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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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Rocket Rod Laver always elected to receive serve if winning the coin toss and he is rated #1 player of all time..hmmm

But seriously great thread Johnny, interesting read.
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Suggesting how Lendl would do now would be difficult due to the difference in racket technology. Djoker's game is based on his except maybe a bit more defensive than Lendl was.
I think Lendl would have more or less the same results, to be honest. He definitely would dominate and win Wimbledon every year, but he might have taken one.

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Considering I was talking about Lendl's peers on todays grass, hardly any bad bounces. Tailor made for the Ostrava man.
Well that is even more difficult to quantify

If Cash/Becker/Edberg/Mac/Connors played on 2011 grass, NO WAY they'd play the same game as they all played in the 80's. They'd surely develop baseline games, either that or they wouldn't be top 10 players in today's game if they came rushing to the net after every serve.
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it's not enough mate... you have to go do a bit more... and learn to balance on you left when you practice serving... dont stumble to the left after you serve... bad practice... no one starts off the point unbalanced...

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Good list and read despite the fact that Gooch has been overlooked for no.1...
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