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5/5- Almost 100% spot on, Mr. Groove. I may switch a few around here or there, but good work 63 18.16%
4/5- More or less. I disagree with a few, but not bad at all 146 42.07%
3/5- Hmmmm, I dunno. Some look a bit dicey, mate 50 14.41%
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Old 09-23-2011, 12:46 PM   #241
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I think so.Although Professor Johnny has his doubts,I think he just needs no1 spot confirmation at the year's end to put Nole in front.
At least Mr Kaspar approves
Professor put Djokovic at number 30 or so that shows how much he knows and Laver is number 1 I think
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I think so.Although Professor Johnny has his doubts,I think he just needs no1 spot confirmation at the year's end to put Nole in front.
At least Mr Kaspar approves
Djokovic and Vilas are very very close. Djokovic winning the AO would push him over the top for sure. If he wins WTF, possible.

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Professor put Djokovic at number 30 or so that shows how much he knows and Laver is number 1 I think
Djokovic at this point in time right now deserves #30. In one year? Who knows.

And yes, Laver is #1. At worst, co #1 with The Federer.

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Djokovic and Vilas are very very close. Djokovic winning the AO would push him over the top for sure. If he wins WTF, possible.



Djokovic at this point in time right now deserves #30. In one year? Who knows.

And yes, Laver is #1. At worst, co #1 with The Federer.



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Vilas was a great clay court payer, however, he did not play great players to win his slams. When he did, especially against Borg, he was trounced. Nole won against 2 all-time greats, Federer and Nadal. I would, definitely, rank Djokovic over Vilas.
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Vilas was a great clay court payer, however, he did not play great players to win his slams. When he did, especially against Borg, he was trounced. Nole won against 2 all-time greats, Federer and Nadal. I would, definitely, rank Djokovic over Vilas.
I woulda agree with this. Of Vilas' 4 slam titles 2 were poorly attended Australian Open (1978/79).
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djokovic has to be within 5 places of nadal

and if the ownage is sustained then within 2 years nole auto matically jumps ahead of nadal
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Laurence Doherty
Donald Bude
should share the 1 spot with laver

federer and sampras should be joint second (though federer won career GS, he won it on a homogenized weak era)

gonzalez and rosewall number 3
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Laurence doherty's GOAT claim
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in doubles losing twice over 11 years- insanity!

Golden Grand Slam 1903 – holder of every major championship – Davis Cup, Olympics, Wimbledon, USO, Queens Indoor, The South of France Championships plus many other championships and everyone of the majors he won in doubles with his brother this year since they were undefeated and this fact raises his win-loss record for 1903 to about app. 80 – 0!

H. L. was undefeated in singles and doubles in Davis Cup

Undefeated streak on all surfaces including every championship on every continent: 3 years and 3 months
(July 1901- October 1904)

Retires as undefeated and undefeated holder of every major championship on every available surface in 1906.

His win-loss record in singles for the year 1903 has been stated as app: 45-0 -- 80-0 including doubles!

He also won the first major tourney without set-loss - USO 1903 – 130-44 (174) for a 74.71 % game-winning percentage
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tennis-hero, I want what you're smoking.

If you call fed's era weak, what can we say about Laurence Doherty's era in 1900?
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djokovic has to be within 5 places of nadal
Are you saying Nadal should be at #26?
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Are you saying Nadal should be at #26?
nadal should be 15 (still behind agassi IMO)

nole should be 20 right now

however---- i agree with the prof's decision to leave nole at 31 and wait it out before nole gets a huge bump- if nole decides to crash and burn any higher ranking will make the list look bad

however in 5 years time i expect nole to be next to- if not above rafa

Laurence Doherty is the only player to win the calender grandslam (of his day) without a single loss

he won wimbledon and the US OPEN (without losing a set and the first overseas player to do so)
he won the premier tournies on clay and hardcourts

and if that wasn't enough he did the same thing in doubles aswell

he is by far the greatest player of all times

tennis - from 1890-1910 went through a huge boom period- starting with (of course) the renshaw brothers- with the doherty's took charge the era was incredible- very strong and very fierce- there was no australian open- and the french open was worthless.
this was a time before any world wars- when the world was an incredible place- full of excitment and wonder

the idea that old tennis was boring is not as technical as today is stupid when you consider that the racquets they used were much smaller- so impossible to hit today's shots with- with that being said- laurence doherty is the father of the modern game
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how the fuck is behind Agassi when is better than him in every department???
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I wouldn't put Laver as #1.
He did have 2 CYGS's but that is only a streak and shouldn't count too much as that's two years and 8 slams, just 3 more slams for his other years.
Many sports have streaks by players and it's just how it turns out but doesn't count much.
Laver also had 6 losses, for a 11-6 slam record, very nice numbers but too many losses.
The field was small, which counts a lot.
The slams didn't have big fields, certainly not 128.
There's other problems, only 2 surfaces back then is one of them.

I wouldn't put #1 on someone who had these kind of deficiencies.
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I wouldn't put Laver as #1.
He did have 2 CYGS's but that is only a streak and shouldn't count too much as that's two years and 8 slams, just 3 more slams for his other years.
Many sports have streaks by players and it's just how it turns out but doesn't count much.
Laver also had 6 losses, for a 11-6 slam record, very nice numbers but too many losses.
The field was small, which counts a lot.
The slams didn't have big fields, certainly not 128.
There's other problems, only 2 surfaces back then is one of them.

I wouldn't put #1 on someone who had these kind of defiencies.
Got to look at the calibre of players he was playing against, then they were the Pro years, considering he did it 7 years apart. There are a lot of factors that need to be taken into account, it's never always about numbers when there is no application to the data.
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Vilas was a great clay court payer, however, he did not play great players to win his slams. When he did, especially against Borg, he was trounced. Nole won against 2 all-time greats, Federer and Nadal. I would, definitely, rank Djokovic over Vilas.
Erm Djokovic too only won over Federer and Nadal when they clearly are not in their prime. If you want the use the Villas argument that he played poor competition then you also have to see this side of the picture too.
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