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Of course not, they are all proud Frenchmen! 14 51.85%
As long as they play for France, I don't mind. 3 11.11%
Black is black and white is white. 10 37.04%
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Old 06-07-2011, 08:44 PM   #16
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Monfils and a few others are blacks from West Indies, a french territory for ages. They are born french ! Tsonga's father comes from Africa but he's mother is white and they are both teachers, he's not the poor migrant.

Many others french stars in sport have indeed a white mother (Tsonga, the Noah, Boris Diaw, Tony Parker, Stephane Diagana, Serge Blanco, ...) with a black father. It just proves mixity is the best choise to have a champion in your family.
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Old 06-07-2011, 08:59 PM   #17
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no you idiot

if you a French you are French;we don't have none of that African American shit :roll: we don't say black Frenchmen or none of that shit that's why PMac pissed me off for years with his black Frenchwoman shit when he used to talk Gael and Jo
African-American = American with African descent, so of course you don't have that in France
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i think he meant we don't say African French in France ;-) but French as long as the person has the nationality...then, if the person is Black, you ask if he's from West Indies or Africa...(Some people from Guadeloupe or Martinique don't consider themself as African, but that's another topic...)

Concerning the topic, I think Black and other French are treated equally in Sports, if not more as there are many Black French athletes (judo, football, track and field, basket ball...). Especially in tennis, i think Tsonga and Monfils are the most popular...
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Monfils and a few others are blacks from West Indies, a french territory for ages. They are born french ! Tsonga's father comes from Africa but he's mother is white and they are both teachers, he's not the poor migrant.

Many others french stars in sport have indeed a white mother (Tsonga, the Noah, Boris Diaw, Tony Parker, Stephane Diagana, Serge Blanco, ...) with a black father. It just proves mixity is the best choise to have a champion in your family.
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i think he meant we don't say African French in France ;-) but French as long as the person has the nationality...then, if the person is Black, you ask if he's from West Indies or Africa...(Some people from Guadeloupe or Martinique don't consider themself as African, but that's another topic...)
So there is indeed an "ethnic distinction" that is made (DUH!), it simply does not involve appending "French" on the end of it.

Speaking in terms of nationality or citizenship, blacks in America are simply called "Americans." "African-American" is (I should say "was," insofar as it is not in use as much anymore) simply a term used to designate the ethnicity of a black American in contradistinction to black Africans that have no American ancestry.
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So there is indeed an "ethnic distinction" that is made (DUH!), it simply does not involve appending "French" on the end of it.

Speaking in terms of nationality or citizenship, blacks in America are simply called "Americans." "African-American" is (I should say "was," insofar as it is not in use as much anymore) simply a term used to designate the ethnicity of a black American in contradistinction to black Africans that have no American ancestry.
French law doesn't recognize any ethnicity. There's only the French People which is a community of people who have "chosed" to live together. African-American is something used in the US (in the census for example). In France, it's forbidden to do statistics about ethnicity, it's considered as illegal. So we have a nationality but we have no divisions recognized amongst the population.
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In France, it's forbidden to do statistics about ethnicity, it's considered as illegal. So we have a nationality but we have no divisions recognized amongst the population.
You make it sound like everybody lives in perfect harmony and France has no racial problems whatsoever simply because the country refuses to do a proper census of its citizens. When's the next muslim youth riot due over there?

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As this area doesn't attract immigrants from the whole world, there's no many of them and no naturalized black people. Just some rare people on a bussiness trip or something like that. But I can tell you they are treated like any other foreign people. No animosity at all.
Visiting foreigners are treated well everywhere because the locals know they'll be leaving soon. It would be quite a different story if 2,000 Somalian refugees suddenly showed up to make permanent residence in a country whose language and social customs are completely different from their own.
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You make it sound like everybody lives in perfect harmony and France has no racial problems whatsoever simply because the country refuses to do a proper census of its citizens. When's the next muslim youth riot due over there?


Visiting foreigners are treated well everywhere because the locals know they'll be leaving soon. It would be quite a different story if 2,000 Somalian refugees suddenly showed up to make permanent residence in a country whose language and social customs are completely different from their own.
I mean, foreign people who live here (for ex. work at an embassy), not just those who leave within 10 days, but yeah, you are totally right. I wouldn't be happy if many of my neighbours were people from all over the world, i would feel like "get the hell outta here". But let's get back to the topic. I myself think there is still some kind of animosity towrards immigrants even in recognized multiethnical societies. And that's why I think there is a slight difference between black and white French players from a Frenchman's point of view.
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even looking at the thread title makes me want to puke.
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i think black french players need to be drug tested more... maybe three or four times more...

there is just something about them...

i am not against things i am just very into constructive criticism at the moment...
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You make it sound like everybody lives in perfect harmony and France has no racial problems whatsoever simply because the country refuses to do a proper census of its citizens. When's the next muslim youth riot due over there?
The 2005 riots were not related to religion and they were not made by the muslim youth but by disappointed youth (mostly from foreign origins but not only) who are suffering from exclusion and unemployement. The fact that they're muslim was not important.


And about my previous post, I was just speaking about the law, I've never said that the situation was perfect as there are several problems in France. I just wanted to say that the title of this thread is offensive for French people as most of us are used to this "no ethnicity" concept.

"Ethnically pure Frenchmen" don't exist as French is not an ethnic group but a community of people. French is a cultural identity, not an ethnic one.
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