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Old 05-31-2011, 09:47 PM   #1
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Default The Big Four in Compulsory Tournaments in 2011

I just noticed that in every one of this year's compulsory tournaments, three of the big four made it through to the semi-finals:

Australian Open = Federer, Djokovic, Murray (plus Ferrer)
Indian Wells = Nadal, Federer, Djokovic (plus del Potro)
Miami = Nadal, Djokovic, Federer (plus Fish)
Madrid = Nadal, Djokovic, Federer (plus Bellucci)
Rome = Nadal, Djokovic, Murray (plus Gasquet)

I wonder if this trend will continue here. Obviously Djokovic and Federer are already through so it looks likely that at least three will get through. I wonder, will be the first tournament this year where all four semi-final places are filled by the big four?
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Old 05-31-2011, 09:50 PM   #2
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Default Re: The Big Four in Compulsory Tournaments in 2011

Of course if you go back to the last one before 2011 started, it was the same four who made the semi-finals of the WTF...
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Old 05-31-2011, 09:55 PM   #3
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^^ Your post is a perfect illustration as to why there is still such a huge gap in achievements & ranking points between the current top-4 and the rest of the bunch - with perhaps the exception of Söderling and Ferrer who did (do?) have had quite a say in the matter as well.

Some folks will denounce this as being proof of it being a 'weak era'. I'd rather call it proof of a very strong top bunch of players who haven't allowed anyone yet to come near in some five years of time... and counting.

As for your question - yep, Djoko and Fed are already there. We've yet to see whether Rafa and Muzza will be able to join them. Both might be questionable as Rafa hasn't been showing his best level as of yet (whereas Söderling seems to be doing fine), and Murray - uhm, how bad is that ankle injury he got and how well has Chela been playing, needing a 5-setter to a qualifier to come through? Big, big questions...
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Old 05-31-2011, 09:59 PM   #4
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and then people find it weird when i say this is a mug era.

the lack of competition is astonishing. like glenn said it once, the top 4 virtually get a bye to the semis in every freaking tournament.
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Old 05-31-2011, 10:04 PM   #5
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It is a sign of weak era. Ferrer and Soderling aren't bad, then HUGE drop-off. I think it'll be 2/4 tbh. Chela won't choke like Troicki if Murray's still injured and Soderling looks better than Nadal
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Soderling will beat Nadal.
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Seems like the other 96 athletes are playing with a pay check in mind, not a heart.
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Soderling will beat Nadal.
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Soderling will beat Nadal.
Maybe he will, maybe he won't.
At least Sod is the #5 in the ranking, which only proves my point even more.

An ultra-strong bunch of top players around right now, who barely leave a scrap for the rest of the players to feed on.

But of course, some will find more evidence for a 'weak era' in these facts. I guess those are the same folks who'd like to see a new #1 every three weeks or so, and probably without even winning ONE slam title. WTA, anyone?
Or do the Weak Era Tards genuinely believe that the WTA is in fact very strong right now, just because of that?

Some strange kind of reasoning going on there...
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This is nothing new, since 2008 most of big tournaments have at least 2,3 guys from this big 4. But it won´t happen to long, because Delpo will be back in top 5 and there will be no big 4 anymore but top 5 will be the group of guys one level above the rest of the field - next 2 years - then Federer will be too old to compete i think.
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Three are playing for legacies. It's the job of the rest to improve their game.
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and then people find it weird when i say this is a mug era.

the lack of competition is astonishing. like glenn said it once, the top 4 virtually get a bye to the semis in every freaking tournament.
this never made sense and still doesnt. top 4 are better players than the rest right?

if the rest were better than they are, there would be even more top players who reach semis so often - and that never happened in any of the strong eras. in fact, never have the top players been so good/consistent, so it is impossible, or at least extremely difficult to have more 'that good' players.

basically, asking for more competition now, when we have as much excellent players, means asking them to let others have some share for the sake of numbers.
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Interesting statistics, can anyone bother to do the same for 2008-2010?

Anyway, it's impossible to tell if this is a sign of mug era, or simply that the top 4 players are much above the rest of the field.
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this never made sense and still doesnt. top 4 are better players than the rest right?

if the rest were better than they are, there would be even more top players who reach semis so often - and that never happened in any of the strong eras. in fact, never have the top players been so good/consistent, so it is impossible, or at least extremely difficult to have more 'that good' players.

basically, asking for more competition now, when we have as much excellent players, means asking them to let others have some share for the sake of numbers.
you start from the premise that the top 4 are great and awesome compared to the top players of previous eras and i highly disagree with that. they aren't. they look good because they havent had to face a quality competition and if they did, trust me, they'd certainly lose more often.
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The thing is you can look at it two ways if the rankings are top heavy, strong players at the top or everyone else is weak and the top players are nothing special.
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